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    Not a fan of all the "tech" packages on newer cars.More crap to go wrong on my dime later.I miss the days of a base model.I also miss adding options one at a time instead of "packages" where it is take it or leave it on crap you don't want to get the one thing you do.
    My last new car was a 2002 and I don't see a new one on the horizon for me.
    These days I prefer a 10 year old car with reasonable miles and I can afford to replace whatever breaks.

    A CVT transmission is a deal killer for me.I don't care how good they have become.The industry has swung that way so viable alternatives are fewer and fewer.I prefer a manual transmission and those are even fewer if a non performance vehicle.
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    I went to a dealer who let customers browse unpressured by a salesman. Once approached they were helpful. They viewed their approach as customer friendly. I liked it better then having a salesman crawling up my back while I'm looking.
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    Last car we bought was a 2017 Accord. we'd done the whole American car thing and aside from the caravan, we've been severely underwhelmed. The Caravan is a 2010 with 185K on it now. This doesn't mean it's perfect, but very few things have failed...rear gate shocks, the EGR valve and the upper heater hose wye made from cheap plastic. we did have a CV joint blow out after the first year and it was covered PLUS. they replaced the stub shafts and CV joints on both sides and gave us a loaner for a couple of days. I'll probably drive it until it falls apart. The Honda by way of comparison is exactly what the wife wanted. The experience couldn't have been better. We were looking for accords, the salesman showed us where the accords were and asked if we could get them if we wanted to test drive any of them. Wife found one, we looked around and saw him wave his hand and head over. He told us about the car and asked us to park it back in the same place when we were done. THAT'S how you sell a car. we came back, talked with him, got the financing done with some discounts we didn't even know about and we'll probably buy another Honda from them when we're ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    I went to a dealer who let customers browse unpressured by a salesman. Once approached they were helpful. They viewed their approach as customer friendly. I liked it better then having a salesman crawling up my back while I'm looking.
    Agree completely. I like going to car shows. Aside from getting to look at all the new models without a salesperson hovering, you get to see some nice old cars too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    I went to a dealer who let customers browse unpressured by a salesman. Once approached they were helpful. They viewed their approach as customer friendly. I liked it better then having a salesman crawling up my back while I'm looking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peacemakr40 View Post
    Last car we bought was a 2017 Accord. we'd done the whole American car thing and aside from the caravan, we've been severely underwhelmed. The Caravan is a 2010 with 185K on it now. This doesn't mean it's perfect, but very few things have failed...rear gate shocks, the EGR valve and the upper heater hose wye made from cheap plastic. we did have a CV joint blow out after the first year and it was covered PLUS. they replaced the stub shafts and CV joints on both sides and gave us a loaner for a couple of days. I'll probably drive it until it falls apart. The Honda by way of comparison is exactly what the wife wanted. The experience couldn't have been better. We were looking for accords, the salesman showed us where the accords were and asked if we could get them if we wanted to test drive any of them. Wife found one, we looked around and saw him wave his hand and head over. He told us about the car and asked us to park it back in the same place when we were done. THAT'S how you sell a car. we came back, talked with him, got the financing done with some discounts we didn't even know about and we'll probably buy another Honda from them when we're ready.
    Quote Originally Posted by chefduane View Post
    Agree completely. I like going to car shows. Aside from getting to look at all the new models without a salesperson hovering, you get to see some nice old cars too!

    I'm in this camp also...the sales rep should make contact asap and welcome the customer, letting them know that they are available for questions/test drive etc....checking back periodically but not hovering. Once down to brass tacks, then undivided attention until a deal is reached.

    My worst experience was having the dealer take my trade in to be "appraised" and finding out that the transmission was screwed up when I left there...drove in fine...screwed up after their guy drove it. I was too young and naive to call for a police report.
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    I bought a 2012 Ford Escape new and had a really great experience with it. Traded it off last December for a Honda CR-V [more on that later]. The dealer offered, and delivered on "tires for life" on the condition that you brought the car in for service every 5,000. Well, I did just that and was on my third set of Michelins when I sold it. It was a commute car and it had 175,000 miles on it and was in excellent shape. Day in, day out, I got 25 MPG.

    My wife's old car needed to be retired so I got her a new, 2016 Honda HR-V. We're both in our mid-60's so getting in and out of the car is an issue. But, I have to say that I was so impressed with how that little car performed including long trips, that it changed how I looked at cars.

    After months of research last fall, I decided to trade my Escape and replaced it with a 2018 Honda CR-V. To be honest, it was night and day improvement in comfort, safety, user technology and styling. Oh, did I say that it averages 32 MPG on a 1.6 liter turbocharged engine? I looked at all the great competition mentioned in previous posts here. For me, the Honda was the best overall package. Like I say about guns "buy the gun you like and to heck with what others think about it".

    The Ford dealership I left behind was great, but the Honda dealership I just joined is on par. When you compare the Escape to the CR-V, that was an easy choice for me.
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    My wife got a 2007 santa fe and loved it till recently. We've put 215k miles on it and never had a real issue till now. Needs a timing chain and a few other things so time to get another. I'm sure the new ones now are even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleTamer View Post
    Sometimes they try and slip one by me: "Hey, can you help me change my spark plugs this weekend?"..."What kind of car?"..."Oh it's an F-150--" "[Expletive NO!]"
    I just changed plugs and coil boots on my '04 w/ 4.6 and it was no big deal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    My brother is still pretty happy with his '13 Santa Fe Sport. Nice little trucklet if that's what you're into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Reeser View Post
    I just changed plugs and coil boots on my '04 w/ 4.6 and it was no big deal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    You have to change the 5.4 plugs hot and snake your hands through very hot exhaust manifolds to keep them from stripping out the aluminum heads. Not very fun at all.


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