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    Quote Originally Posted by texastaurusguy View Post
    Because Europeans don't know beans about guns.
    They were invented in the USA were they... back in the 14th century? Odd that, I thought the place wasn't colonised until 1585.. Or maybe I just read it wrong.. Even our NRA is older than yours 1859 versus 1871.
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    Because the 10.3 x 33R is just not as sexy sounding as the .41 Magnum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    It's not that they are unpopular, it's got more to do with that large bores are illegal for civilians to own them in most of the world.

    Belize limits to .32 and under.

    Mexico's limit is .38.

    Most of Europe eliminates "military cartridges" from civilian ownership- which includes most of the most popular large bores.
    This I did not know. Perhaps someone should send them the memo from the FBI about how 9mm Luger is just as effective as the larger semiautomatic pistol cartridges. Apparently their word was good enough to convince most Law Enforcement agencies and civilians that there was no tangible benefit to carrying larger caliber cartridges, so maybe it would be enough to convince foreign governments who restrict them as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco_Ramírez View Post
    Huh? What Military still uses .45 ACP? I mean, I know that the US Army has it on reserve for SpecOps, but as far as I know it hasn't been deployed in any official capacity since the 90s.
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    However, that does raise another question that I've always wondered about, why do they rename American cartridges with metric designations in Europe when European cartridges retain their original metric designations here in the US?
    I could see it being rooted in xenophobia a century ago and that such changes would be retained to this day for the sake of familiarity, but when more modern cartridges like .40 S&W are renamed, it just seems unnecessary and confusing. A force of habit, I presume.
    Regarding military use of .45ACP, it returned in 2012 and I believe it spread a bit after that. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...m45-colt-1911/

    Whether any unit still use it these 7 years later, dunno.

    Regarding metric vs. Imperial, we are actually more multisytemical over here. Europe is very, very intolerant of anything but metric. Walk down the streets of Paris asking people to show you what an inch is, and I bet the people of Indianapolis would do a better job showing you what a centimeter is. It's easy to buy metric and imperial sockets here. It's harder to find Imperial sockets over there, if memory serves.

    That's not a conclusive answer, but my lungs* say it's relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by ManxTom View Post
    They were invented in the USA were they... back in the 14th century? Odd that, I thought the place wasn't colonised until 1585.. Or maybe I just read it wrong.. Even our NRA is older than yours 1859 versus 1871.
    I don't see that anyone said they were invented in the USA. Guess there was too much subtlety in the statement for a precolonist to follow it. Besides, we do better electric guitars and BBQ ribs. So there.



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    Pardon my off-topic tangent here, but clicking on some of these links and reading the articles within is turning out to be extremely depressing to me as I see repeated typos which couldn't have possibly made it past a single pass of proof-reading. *sighs* To think that I was never able to realize my dream of becoming a print journalist because apparently the field is dominated by "highly qualified professionals" who apparently don't even proof-read their work before submitting it, nor do their editors. Granted that I also have zero tolerance towards sensationalism, but the fact that the writing quality of articles has sunk this low makes it seem all the worse.

    Back on-topic, I forgot all about the Colt M45. Although if I recall correctly, the M45 was subsequently dropped some years back. I remember reading a few articles about it from both sides of the equation with some expressing disapproval towards the decision and vice-versa.
    Apparently the rational which lead to the decision to adopt the M45 was that the light trigger and more powerful round was better suited to operators on stealth/recon missions because it could be shot faster and to greater affect, but then apparently the Military was swayed by the FBI's unsubstantiated claims of the objective terminal ballistics equity between 9mm Luger and higher caliber cartridges.
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    Here's a quote i found from a forum , it's from 2008 and from a guy from Luxembourg:


    ".45 acp is loved by many civilian shooters in Europe. Only cost prevents a lot of them from shooting it much nowadays. I suppose the popularity of the cartridge is closely linked to the 1911 also...

    .45 Colt is also popular due to cowboy action shooting. At least to me it seems like that sport has risen in popularity lately.

    I've only once seen a 10mm (Colt Delta Elite) though.

    .40 S&W is also not very popular. Carrying firearms is imposible in most European countries, so why should you favour a .40 over the cheaper 9mm and the bigger (more fun ) .45 acp?

    .357 magnum and even more so .38 special are VERY popular in Europe.

    .44 not so much. There's not handgun hunting in most (all?) countries. And only people who simply like big calibers for fun shoot it. So it's not uncommon. But not very popular either.

    For the .41, again I've only seen one in my life, and that was not even at the range, but in a shop. It still sits in the case everytime I go there.



    Keep in mind this is only my personal impression from one country (although there are a lot of German, French and Belgium shooters here too) and from reading some European forums and German and French firearms magazines.


    The police and military in most countries still use 9mm though. And .38 special sometimes. And some countries with more limited funs even use older, smaller caliber pistols (7.65, .380 an such).


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    I'm willing to bet American gun culture influences the world gun culture. They want to be like us.

    Come again? Europeans have an ever increasing desire not to be like us
    That's not true. Especially in the gun culture. You wound't believe how many American flags you see on range bags or clothing. Or on 1911 grips. You often hear people say "oh, this is much better in the USA. In the USA they do this better and that better. I wish we could do this like the Americans do"

    And believe me, everybody loves Garands and WWII 1911s, Thompsons and such guns. Because those are the guns "the GIs carried when they liberated our country." And almost every rifle shooter has an M1 Carbine. That seems to be the essential weapon in this country for some reason. I can assure you, at least most of the European shooters like America, and really like your culture. Those who've been there on vacation even more so.
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    Seems they like certain larger ammo's , but the laws and cost or ammo keeps their usage down , what was true maybe in 2008 is I'm sure more the case now. From what i saw from the little research i did, the 45 acp is used some today in the military's of a few European nations.
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    Who the heck cares what EUROPE thinks, anyhow?

    Okay, gimme my magnifying glass. I lost 3 .32ACPs in the carpet....not ammo, the GUNS.
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    This is one of those cases where regulations prevents the prolific expansion of available cartridges to civilians. If your country only allows certain firearms, many firearm manufacturers will not even try to market to that country. that drives prices up of available firearms. For a great many people, if costs are too high, they simply will not buy them. If they do buy them, there's a whole slew of additional regulations they have to abide by. It's just not worth it for a vast majority of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NativeTexan View Post
    Who the heck cares what EUROPE thinks, anyhow?

    Okay, gimme my magnifying glass. I lost 3 .32ACPs in the carpet....not ammo, the GUNS.

    Now cut that out...I got my 32 ACP dies, 1000 71 grain PRN and 500 cases yesterday...the bullets were in a 6 x 6 x 6 carton and those suckers are TINY...

    Gonna go set up to load some fodder for the Beretta.
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