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    The Story of a Gun:Chicago, Staw purchase, and one scumbag gun owner....

    It is people like this who give the government cause to disarm us all. Remember this story next time one fills out a 4473 or sees legislation on gun control.
    The gun numbered G20467 was found three days later in the blue van and taken to the Illinois State Police forensics lab at Damen Avenue and Roosevelt Road. To track the history of a suspicious firearm, CAGE agents contact the ATF National Tracing Center in Falling Waters, West Virginia, which searches for the origins of the majority of guns recovered after being used in crimes. In 2003, the center tracked the history of about 280,000 guns nationwide, including 6,542 in Chicago.


    Housed in a former Internal Revenue Service warehouse, the tracing center has a state-of-the-art appearance on the outside, but inside it is a sprawling storage room, filled with 400 million records documenting gun imports and purchases. Many are stored on microfiche or on sheets of paper in cardboard boxes. "Remember that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark?" one officer asks, referring to the movie's famous final moment—a wide-angle shot of a gigantic storehouse filled with endless rows of seemingly identical wood crates. "That's what it looks like."



    Despite its archaic methods, the bureau can trace a gun by the serial number from its manufacturer to an importer or a wholesaler to the first retailer and finally to its initial owner. Routine traces can take two weeks or more. For most violent gun crimes, agents can request an urgent trace, which is usually completed within 24 hours.



    CAGE agents learned that the trail of G20467 led from Italy to Excam, a firearms importer in Hialeah, Florida, then to Valley Gun Distributors in Northridge, California, on March 16, 1989. The gun was transferred the same day to Interstate Arms Corporation in Ontario, California. On March 29th, G20467 arrived in Illinois, at the Calumet City Gun Shop. More than 11 years passed before the Tanfoglio landed on June 19, 2000, at Pelcher's Shooters Supply, a gun shop in south suburban Lansing. (Those 11 years will remain a mystery due to recently passed legislation that bars all information regarding crime gun traces from being placed in the public record. See "The Trail Grows Cold," page 85.) ATF records indicate that George Edmondson, a 24-year-old telephone repairman from south suburban Burnham, bought the gun at Pelcher's on February 16, 2001. It is not clear what Edmondson paid, or even whether the gun had ever been used at that point.

    It took CAGE agents more than a month to make the connection to Edmondson, because someone mistyped the gun's serial number during the initial computer trace. But the investigation quickly gained momentum. Working with the state police, CAGE initiated a firearms transfer inquiry program, known as an F-TIP, which reveals the number of guns bought by a FOID card holder. As it turned out, Edmondson had bought 13 firearms between August 2000 and September 2002, all of them from suburban gun shops. None of the guns had been reported lost or stolen, according to a computer check.



    On May 21, 2003, at around 2 p.m., a group of five officers knocked on the door of the house where Edmondson lived with his mother and asked the whereabouts of the weapons, in particular the Tanfoglio. Startled and nervous, Edmondson at first said he had sold the weapons, according to the written confession he made later to police. The agents pressed for documentation of the sales, required by state law. "That's when he broke down," says a CAGE Team arresting officer, who requested anonymity. Edmondson was charged with gunrunning, a felony that carries a potential sentence of up to ten years in prison. In his written statement, Edmondson admitted he sold the weapons to men he knew were gang members.



    A former student at DeVry University who spent a year as a low-ranking Black Disciples gang "foot soldier," Edmondson had loose ties to various gang members around his neighborhood. He told authorities he typically sold guns to the gangs in exchange for marijuana and cash. The Tanfoglio was sold for $325 to an alleged gang member whom Edmondson claimed to know only as Frank, a drug dealer for the gang. According to the confession, Edmondson instructed Frank to scrape off the serial number "if he was going to go out and do some crazy stuff."



    I invite you all to read the original story here:Biography of a Gun - Chicago magazine - June 2004 - Chicago
    Here's a thought: what if Adam Lanzas mom had a CCW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTauron View Post
    It is people like this who give the government cause to disarm us all. Remember this story next time one fills out a 4473 or sees legislation on gun control.
    I disagree. Here's why:

    "To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
    law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct,
    but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit
    them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow... For
    society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to
    accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals.
    Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate
    themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
    -- Jeff Snyder, Oct 20, 1994
    Last edited by Trip20; 02-28-2012 at 04:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trip20 View Post
    I disagree with your statement regarding how the government assumes a mandate for gun control or disarming the republic. My reason for disagreeing with you is summed up concisely by the following quote:
    I was using the phrase in the sense that such cretins like Edmondson are used as justification for more oppressive gun control laws. Politicians of low intellectual caliber use such examples to paint all legal gun owners as criminals, and thus justify the blatant violation of the Bill of Rights accordingly. Since this ONE guy decided to sell firearms to crooks, we must all be wheeling and dealing with murderous savages according to the Socialist logic.
    Here's a thought: what if Adam Lanzas mom had a CCW?

    "He who goes unarmed in paradise had better be sure that that is where he is."-James Thurber
    “Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”: Who watches the watchmen?-Juvenal

    "Get out on the range! You can't call the weather for a gun fight! First relay on line!"-Jeff Cooper

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTauron View Post
    I was using the phrase in the sense that such cretins like Edmondson are used as justification for more oppressive gun control laws. Politicians of low intellectual caliber use such examples to paint all legal gun owners as criminals, and thus justify the blatant violation of the Bill of Rights accordingly. Since this ONE guy decided to sell firearms to crooks, we must all be wheeling and dealing with murderous savages according to the Socialist logic.
    Ah I see we're on the same page -- my apologies.

    In fact your sentiments here are much in line with Mr. Snyder's remarks.
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    What's that old saying, "If you take away all weapons, only the criminals will have them!"
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    I'm for arming every law-abiding citizen. We might even get ahead of the criminals.
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