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    No knock seems dangerous and feels Un-American. I've read of times they mess up and hit the wrong house. Then, I, the innocent homeowner gets shot for defending my house. I understand the reason for not giving warning but the process should be well defined. POLICE at 70DB at the same time the battering ram takes down the door and then another 3 times after.

    Judges should be very careful about giving them. Some criteria should be met.
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    When I worked 3rd (graveyard shift) I instructed my wife that any sort of forced entry was to be met with deadly force period. Our sons were instructed that a phone call was required BEFORE showing up after hours to avoid any accidents. The same rules apply today as then. No knock IS NOT policing! It is forced entry in a violent and riotous manner which would be met with deadly force in this household. PERIOD
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    Drug raids should be sanely run, and most aren't, IMHO. We had a local one here a few years ago that was so over the top ridiculous, the city could hardly wait to settle with the homeowner after it went down.

    What drugs did they find? Two, repeat TWO pot plants. Used by the woman who lived there for her MS. What did they expect to find? A major pot growing operation. Why? Because of the high electric use in 2 previous months. Turned out that the husband and son had a couple of welders in the garage they used for some sort of small business making something. All the welding jacked up the bills. Now, the police could have, and IMHO, should have, simply knocked on the door and said they had a warrant to search, but instead, they had the SWAT team break down the front and back doors, hold all three people who lived there at gunpoint, scaring the hell out of them, and then proceeding to pretty much destroy the house, searching for whatever. Oh, and they nearly shot their dog too. They tore kitchen cabinets off the walls, hammered holes into almost every single wall in the house, tore the paneling off the wall in the dining room, and even tore some of the floor out. All for two plants. The woman pled guilty and got probation, and the city very quietly and quickly settled with them after the damage, and their "Score" was shown on TV several times a day for about a week. I don't think they have used the SWAT team since then. That little mess cost the city about $75K all total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memiram View Post
    Drug raids should be sanely run, and most aren't, IMHO. We had a local one here a few years ago that was so over the top ridiculous, the city could hardly wait to settle with the homeowner after it went down.

    What drugs did they find? Two, repeat TWO pot plants. Used by the woman who lived there for her MS. What did they expect to find? A major pot growing operation. Why? Because of the high electric use in 2 previous months. Turned out that the husband and son had a couple of welders in the garage they used for some sort of small business making something. All the welding jacked up the bills. Now, the police could have, and IMHO, should have, simply knocked on the door and said they had a warrant to search, but instead, they had the SWAT team break down the front and back doors, hold all three people who lived there at gunpoint, scaring the hell out of them, and then proceeding to pretty much destroy the house, searching for whatever. Oh, and they nearly shot their dog too. They tore kitchen cabinets off the walls, hammered holes into almost every single wall in the house, tore the paneling off the wall in the dining room, and even tore some of the floor out. All for two plants. The woman pled guilty and got probation, and the city very quietly and quickly settled with them after the damage, and their "Score" was shown on TV several times a day for about a week. I don't think they have used the SWAT team since then. That little mess cost the city about $75K all total.
    Why does the police have any business knowing about anyone's electric use?

    Do they have a warrant to get this information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishinkeylargo View Post
    I am completely against no knock warrants. I do not see a need for them. There are ways to get people to leave a house if needed. Cut the power, cut the gas, cut the water. Make sure the utility companies have a script to why it was cut off.

    If the police ever come busting into my house I will be shooting and most likely will get shot myself.

    I had an officer knock on my door one time, clearly stated he was police. I called 911 and verified police were at my door before I opened it. Police office was not amused, I told him no reason for police to be knocking on my door, could have easily been a home invasion. He did not know how to respond.

    My general thoughts on no knocks and unidentitied armed mersonnel

    Having a sudden influx of probably strangers and likely at many points of egress weigh everyone yelling, you trying to listen and keep your head about you. Add to that, the no knock , no announcement and no uniform for LEO AND ALL YOU HAVE is your wits. It is such a bad idea all the way around and hopefully become a tool of the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonaredeye View Post

    My general thoughts on no knocks and unidentitied armed mersonnel

    Having a sudden influx of probably strangers and likely at many points of egress weigh everyone yelling, you trying to listen and keep your head about you. Add to that, the no knock , no announcement and no uniform for LEO AND ALL YOU HAVE is your wits. It is such a bad idea all the way around and hopefully become a tool of the past.
    We have to get back to that basic question Colion Noir asked:

    If no innocent lives are at immediately at stake, is it even necessary--ever--to risk harming innocent lives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by terryb View Post
    Too many cops watching too many movies, getting too much tactikool equipment, getting too much SWAT training and then looking for ways to use it
    While I agree with most things said in this thread, I believe a lot of people have missed the underlying cause of so many of these 'raids.' Towns, municipalities, counties, states spend an awful of money on SWAT equipment and training. Many places, in order to justify that expense, us the teams as often as possible. They are rarely, rarely needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Reeser View Post
    While I agree with most things said in this thread, I believe a lot of people have missed the underlying cause of so many of these 'raids.' Towns, municipalities, counties, states spend an awful of money on SWAT equipment and training. Many places, in order to justify that expense, us the teams as often as possible. They are rarely, rarely needed.
    My thoughts exactly. There is a need for these teams, and frequent use falsely does justify them on paper, which ensures more grant monies for entities involved.
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    Common sense, if You are conducting a drug raid shut off the water first, there is a meter in front of the House and they get one flush to get rid of the evidence after that there is no reason to go in with guns blazing and to be met with legal use of deadly force in self defense.
    Police go way beyond their authority with forced entry and use of firearms.
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    You can blame the cops if you like. They ask for the warrant but some highly educated lawyer called a judge gave it to them. The cops are responsible for executing but the judge called the play..
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