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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlue View Post
    A guy that is illegally carrying a stolen gun doesn't sound like a victim to me. I'd bet this guy's rap sheet doesn't include feathers or unchecked boxes.
    Yet those crimes carry just as much penalty and result in the same loss of rights for life.

    Unless there is some sanity in the choice of what crimes are felonies, then the whole felony charge means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostHorse View Post
    Please provide citation to the constitutional text in question, because I don't remember that being in there.



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    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    I see nothing in the above that says a mans rights can be infringed while he is free. It specifically says, "shall not be infringed".

    So, the only time ones rights can be infringed is when incarcerated.

    And, this was exactly how it worked up until 1968 when they passed the GCA of 1968.
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    This subject is most certainly a "hairy" one. I don't know for sure how I stand on it, for I know of one guy who can't ever own a gun again (but would trust), and a few guys that I would not even trust with a potato gun (and own many real guns).
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    Quote Originally Posted by taurustoter View Post
    This subject is most certainly a "hairy" one. I don't know for sure how I stand on it, for I know of one guy who can't ever own a gun again (but would trust), and a few guys that I would not even trust with a potato gun (and own many real guns).
    It's not a hairy situation at all. Either we are a nation of laws or we are not. If the laws we currently have are unjust, then we can't just disregard them, we have to change them. That is the system under which we live. I do however think the enforcement of laws need to take account for the exigent situations under which the "crimes" happened. Laws must also err on the side of the accused, not on the side of caution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peacemakr40 View Post
    It's not a hairy situation at all. Either we are a nation of laws or we are not. If the laws we currently have are unjust, then we can't just disregard them, we have to change them. That is the system under which we live. I do however think the enforcement of laws need to take account for the exigent situations under which the "crimes" happened. Laws must also err on the side of the accused, not on the side of caution.
    Well, our Founding Fathers thought differently...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RScottie View Post
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    I see nothing in the above that says a mans rights can be infringed while he is free. It specifically says, "shall not be infringed".
    I see. So "it's in the constitution" means "the words aren't there, but here's how I interpret things..."
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    I do find it interesting, in an oh so ironic and dumbfounded head scratching way, that a country built upon the belief of freedoms and the desire to extend those freedoms to all its citizens, has more laws on the books, and more people in prison than any other country in the entire world, free or not. While I'm head scratching I do have to wonder if the system is working exactly as intended? Certainly not as pitched or promised mind you, but intended. The "Civil Death" of ex cons in our society only lends further cause for conspiracy theory. Hmmmmm.....
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    Couldn't have anything to do with liberals attacking the foundational unit of society, the family, by subsidizing single motherhood, leading to tons of young men who've never been taught how to be an actual man, could it?

    Maybe someone thought to make it harder to get jobs for those young men, by making employing anyone so expensive (minimum wage, requiring health benefits for pushing a darn broom...) that employers find ways to do without...

    Nah, I'm sure I'm way off base.
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    I don't find it ironic or head-scratching at all to recognize that a nation founded on liberty will have among its citizens a number of people who find that that much liberty provides ample opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves with the least effort possible, even at the expense of others.

    I am completely un-dumbfounded to see there are people who consider it far easier to pump their ego and increase the misplaced respect from their group by showing how willing or skilled they are at violating society's laws and exploiting the shortcomings of the criminal justice system, than to do anything to give back to the nation, or to actually improve society for their group, or to be good parents to the children they've created.

    Perhaps the true conspiracy is one aimed at overburdening the government by increasing the demands on it and exploiting its inefficiencies until the only solution is to simply allow progressively higher levels of criminal behavior to go unchallenged (California provides a prime examples) in an effort to avoid paralysis of the justice system.

    Alinsky would be proud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RScottie View Post
    Well, our Founding Fathers thought differently...

    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
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    I think you missed the essence of what I said. we can't JUST ignore them, we must also change them.
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