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    This kind of thing was bound to happen though, and will continue with some companies in varying ways and capacities. When Obama was in office the market was gang busters and many companies increased capacity with by hiring additional employees and expanding production space. Now the market has softened considerably. That's hurt a lot of companies and they are scaling back in response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen Ape View Post
    This kind of thing was bound to happen though, and will continue with some companies in varying ways and capacities. When Obama was in office the market was gang busters and many companies increased capacity with by hiring additional employees and expanding production space. Now the market has softened considerably. That's hurt a lot of companies and they are scaling back in response.
    I think a year from now will be a very different story. After the person who will face Trump is known, there will be a run just like there was when Obama was nominated. Fear definitely drives this market and for good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastaurusguy View Post
    I think a year from now will be a very different story. After the person who will face Trump is known, there will be a run just like there was when Obama was nominated. Fear definitely drives this market and for good reason.
    Nothing sells like fear. Not even sex. The powers that be know this and try to drum up that fear at every turn and possibility. The biggest money maker there is, is fear.
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    when I attended the NRA meeeting here in Hotlanta I remember wandering about the area and actually getting tired of looking at all the AR vendors, different color AR, well ours does this, theres does that, and all the acccessories.
    I thought to myself then how in the world are all these people selling the same product and staying in business?
    I bet half the vendors were AR related.
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    I may be wrong but don't most police agencies use full auto M4 variants? My thinking is that the AR15 is pretty much relegated to the civilian market. My issue with the headline as written is that it leads the anti-gun moron to think this is some great victory since these "weapons of war" will no long be mfg. by Colt and made available to the "civilian market". As if us civilians have been buying the same rifle that is issued to the military.

    That headline simply feeds the feeble minds of the anti-gunners in their thinking that we civilians have all of these weapons of war and we need to be stopped.


    Quote Originally Posted by CJS3 View Post
    Colt's AR business has been mainly military/police contracts. That has been going away for the better part of two decades. With the recent introduction of 38/357 revolvers, we may see a return to what got them started. Besides, it's not like they were known for their civilian ARs. Even their 22 AR was made by Umarex/Walther. They will probably keep minimal production for police departments, but even that may get farmed out. What's more interesting to me is that if they close production in Connecticut, could that free them up to move to a red state?
    Yes I am aware of Colt's having made military full automatic rifles for a lot of years. The thing I'm pointing out (trying to anyway) is Colt has not made M4 variants for many years. They have only been making semi-auto AR15s, for civilian use, since that time. As far as I know, admitted limited knowledge on my part, but most law enforcement agencies use full auto M4 variants. So the headline that reads "AR15s for civilian sales" is very misleading. It is simply more fuel for the anti-gunners.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fishinkeylargo View Post
    News stories like this usually come off the Associated Press wire and each media location that opts to post it is free to headline it as they want. So I would expect most media outlets to put an anti gun win twist in the title.
    Yes more misleading info from the anti-gun MSM.

    Quote Originally Posted by olfarhors View Post
    MY opinion-- yea its a financial reason due to the Colt AR-15 being massively over priced and the guberment pretty much stocked to the ceiling with AR, so now they rely more on civilian sales which they can't make or compete with the hundreds of smaller mom and pop type companies.
    add to that the location in the Northeast, the union contracts and legacy cost of retired people and that pretty much adds up to "LOSS".
    Does Colt actually make anything that one salivates for any more?
    OH my gosh likely another major Business from the North relocating to here in the southeast, geeez, more yankee neighbors to contend with!!
    For real? The gov't has bought a lot of AR15s? For what purpose? I'm pretty sure not military. I have asked already, do a lot of police depts. use AR15s instead of A4 variants?

    Bottom line is I think the headline is very misleading to the uneducated anti-gun left. And it is misleading in a way to add fuel to their fire to ban those scary looking "military style rifles". Geez don't get me started. Even their, anti-gunners, words reveal how stupid they are. Even they use the word "style" in their description! Yes it looks like! In their minds if I put a fiberglass replica of a Bugatti on my Volkswagen it will go 300mph!

    Not picking on your title BangBang, it has read the same everywhere I've seen it.

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    Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about Colt here. The original repeating handgun. The one, the only. The pistols that won the west, the rifles that are the yin to the AK's yang, and the source of the finest American revolvers ever crafted. Sure, they've had some hard times. Any company that's lasted that long will. But they are Colt. They will endure, and continue to be admired, continue to command respect, from knowledgeable people around the world for all that they represent. When they innovate, the entire market shifts for the better.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go shoot my All American 2000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    In my local area not too long ago, an local sporting goods retailer had one brand of AR for $300 new an sale. When I saw the ad I thought it was a .22 lr version, but it was 5.56.



    Back in '91 I had the opportunity to buy a Colt Anaconda revolver for $500 and I said at the time "500 for a revolver?" and didn't buy it.

    Maybe that's because 500 bucks back then was worth 950.00 today?

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    As I recall, Colt bought the licensing to manufacture the AR15 from Armalite (AR) many years ago. Then they marketed their version as what became known as the "best" or "elite" rifle. Fine.

    Now it seems to me that there will likely be Colt AR15s out there in the marketplace for a while. LEO "turn-ins" will be sold to dealers most likely. As they become more rare they will be not unlike the storied Python ... extremely expensive if you come across one. Well there are plenty of alternatives to the Python. And likewise there will still be good quality rifles and parts available.
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    I don't think Colt "priced themselves out of the market" at all. I don't think price was a factor at all. Colt firearms have always come at a premium price. Someone stated here that Colt prices were very high and once again I disagree. They have long been considered an upper tier Fire arms manufacturer. I guess how high their prices are is relative to the person reading the price tag. Their 1911s are in line with Kimber, ruger, Smith and Wesson, and other 1911s in the $900 and up category. At the time that I was in the market for a serious MSR I considered Colt In my shopping . As it turned out I ended up purchasing my two rifles from Bravo (BCM) and Noveskie.

    I have 5 Colt handguns. Some may feel that Colt handguns are expensive but I don't share that view. They are in the same price category as other manufacturers who produce top tier firearms.

    I believe that with the AR15 market as saturated as it is and the focus on lowest price possible Colt made the right decision. It is just A shame that the anti gun folks will look at their decision and see a major win for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darbo View Post
    I may be wrong but don't most police agencies use full auto M4 variants? My thinking is that the AR15 is pretty much relegated to the civilian market. .
    Not around here they don't, what the officer that qualify with a AR have here are the semi auto version.
    now there are full auto versions out here but normally around here they are in SWAT hands and not every SWAT member has one either.
    When you get into Government contracts that's whole different subject as they get the weapons at near cost and usually are nor required to pay any type of taxes on the purchase as well.
    all I know is that I can leave out the door today looking for a AR and find any number lower priced or (in my opinion) better or as good as Colt and very, very few that are more expensive.
    same with the 1911 as far as that goes.
    now your area that may differ , as they say its all about location!
    generally around here to get into the price range of a standard Colt model you need to move into and look at either a semi custom or full custom 1911.
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