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    I don't know what the laws are up there, but from what I read (on this thread only) it doesn't appear as though he broke any laws had he done it down here. We've had weak minded people here freak out about people open carrying rifles here, but it is America after all.
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    From the article:
    Lucas said the suspect then walked out of the store, where an off-duty firefighter held the suspect at gunpoint until police arrived moments later.
    The suspect, a 20-year-old white man


    So he was detained after leaving the store. The "good guy with a gun" may or may not have stopped a massacre but if the rifleman had intended mayhem, at least initially there was no one who would have stopped him.

    And, what purpose does including his race in the story serve except to exacerbate an already extreme racial divide?

    Last, IMO, I agree that, given the information available in the story, this person was attempting to demonstrate his right to carry. Not the best time nor the best way. And I will wager he will be charged with something. And I also will wager that the ACLU will not represent him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaBravoKS View Post
    I don't know what the laws are up there, but from what I read (on this thread only) it doesn't appear as though he broke any laws had he done it down here. We've had weak minded people here freak out about people open carrying rifles here, but it is America after all.
    Seven days after 20 people died in a WalMart at the hands of a young man with an AK? I somehow don't think it's a "weak minded" person who makes that connection with a young man in tactical dress strolling through WalMart videoing people freaking out.

    Quote Originally Posted by NotSo View Post
    From the article:
    Lucas said the suspect then walked out of the store, where an off-duty firefighter held the suspect at gunpoint until police arrived moments later.
    The suspect, a 20-year-old white man


    So he was detained after leaving the store. The "good guy with a gun" may or may not have stopped a massacre but if the rifleman had intended mayhem, at least initially there was no one who would have stopped him.

    And, what purpose does including his race in the story serve except to exacerbate an already extreme racial divide?

    Last, IMO, I agree that, given the information available in the story, this person was attempting to demonstrate his right to carry. Not the best time nor the best way. And I will wager he will be charged with something. And I also will wager that the ACLU will not represent him.
    It begs the question of whether they would have reported if he were a Black man or a person of Arab descent. My bet is probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickthus View Post
    New York times? That's a paparazzi gossip magazine. I'll wait for a real news report.
    Yeah, what does the Weekly World News have to say about the incident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czechbikr View Post
    Seven days after 20 people died in a WalMart at the hands of a young man with an AK? I somehow don't think it's a "weak minded" person who makes that connection with a young man in tactical dress strolling through WalMart videoing people freaking out.



    It begs the question of whether they would have reported if he were a Black man or a person of Arab descent. My bet is probably not.
    I'm not saying the guy isn't an idiot, he likely is. If someone was standing on the corner exercising their right to free speech and were spewing racism, I'd say anyone who was offended was weak minded, even though the speaker was an idiot. If someone is offended at another exercising his right to carry, whether in good taste or not, I'd say the one who was offended was weak minded, even though the carrier was an idiot.

    They called him a suspect...what is he suspected of?

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    AHH YEA!!
    MY take?
    just one more bad sperm that escaped the chlorine in the Gene pool!
    we need more of these to reproduce and add to the human Gene pool!
    whether he did anything illegal or not he sure did something extremely stupid and he is lucky to be alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olfarhors View Post
    AHH YEA!!
    MY take?
    just one more bad sperm that escaped the chlorine in the Gene pool!
    we need more of these to reproduce and add to the human Gene pool!
    whether he did anything illegal or not he sure did something extremely stupid and he is lucky to be alive.
    That's exactly what thought when I heard the story. Kinda' like the video hoaxsters who walk around the forest in a bigfoot costume..... on the opening day of bear season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotSo View Post
    From the article:
    Lucas said the suspect then walked out of the store, where an off-duty firefighter held the suspect at gunpoint until police arrived moments later.
    The suspect, a 20-year-old white man


    So he was detained after leaving the store. The "good guy with a gun" may or may not have stopped a massacre but if the rifleman had intended mayhem, at least initially there was no one who would have stopped him.


    Yeah, the picture of him shows him with the rifle strapped to his chest with the barrel pointed to the ground, and he allegedly was pushing a cart and talking to people.

    While I think that what he did was incredibly stupid, someone here expressed the opinion to me that if a few people like him had been pushing a cart around the El Paso Walmart on the day of the shooting, the result would've been very different for the mass murderer.


    Quote Originally Posted by NotSo View Post
    And, what purpose does including his race in the story serve except to exacerbate an already extreme racial divide?

    Last, IMO, I agree that, given the information available in the story, this person was attempting to demonstrate his right to carry. Not the best time nor the best way. And I will wager he will be charged with something. And I also will wager that the ACLU will not represent him.


    And you are correct on charges. Not sure if they will stick or not, but regardless he's going to be spending a lot of money on lawyers either way.

    Dmitriy Andreychenko, 20, was carrying guns loaded with more than 100 rounds of ammunition, KY3 reported. He grabbed a shopping cart upon entering the store and started recording himself on a cellphone while walking the aisles.

    Though shots were not fired, chaos ensued, and terrified shoppers reportedly ran out of the Walmart after the store manager pulled a fire alarm to warn them.
    An off-duty firefighter detained Andreychenko at gunpoint outside the store, and police then took him into custody, authorities said.
    Andreychenko was charged Friday with making a terrorist threat in the second degree, a felony, the Greene County Prosecuting Attorney's Office said.

    Open carry of firearms is legal in Missouri, "unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner," according to state law.
    "Missouri protects the right of people to open carry a firearm, but that right does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner endangering other citizens," Greene County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement.
    If convicted, Andreychenko faces up to 4 years in state prison and a fine of up to $10,000.
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    Americans have always had guns. What we haven't always had is a generation of young men with no responsibilities, no self worth, and no life objectives. Take these people and constantly tell them they are privileged, and they should hate themselves for things that happened before they were born. Add a little bullying online and in public schools. What you end up with is people with histrionic personality disorder. Then they turn on the news and see hundred of police cars and people crying and the biography of the POS nobody that caused it. We all know that gun bans won't change it. This is why. Mass murderers don't need guns, they need motive. Bombs, Cars/Trucks, Swords, Fire.
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    [QUOTE=Nimbly;5457293]Americans have always had guns. What we haven't always had is a generation of young men with no responsibilities, no self worth, and no life objectives. Take these people and constantly tell them they are privileged, and they should hate themselves for things that happened before they were born. Add a little bullying online and in public schools. What you end up with is people with histrionic personality disorder. Then they turn on the news and see hundred of police cars and people crying and the biography of the POS nobody that caused it. We all know that gun bans won't change it. This is why. Mass murderers don't need guns, they need motive. Bombs, Cars/Trucks, Swords, Fire.[/QUOTE

    My contention is that they know that their restrictions won't change a thing. Then they can say that they didn't go far enough and bring down more restriction.
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