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    Angry Folks really need to stop associating self-defense with their own self-esteem.

    Okay, so I gotta vent about something that has been frustrating me to no end lately... As you probably already know if you follow my posts around here, I've been looking into getting a Winter Carry gun chambered in either .40 S&W or .45 ACP, but have had some trouble deciding which one because they both have some attractive draws to them yet perform similarly. I know that we already discussed it at length here, but I've posted similar threads on other forums because I still can't decide, have no shortage of time, and figured why not get a fresh perspective from other firearms communities? Well, I should have known better and quit while I was ahead after getting a lot of sound advice, opinions, and food for thought from this community, but a mixture of boredom and restlessness drove me to post it elsewhere, foolishly expecting at least something similar to the sort of responses here.

    Unfortunately, every other forum I am a regular poster on has a userbase far less mature than this one, complete with the sort of petulance and projected insecurities one would expect from forums with a bunch of kids who treat the concept of self-defense like big boy cops & robbers in which they brag about what they carry and spin yarns of the hypothetical effectiveness of their firearms in increasingly unlikely self-defense scenarios.
    As a result, all of my posts which even so much as mention that I'm considering to carry a .40 or a .45 get bombarded with responses about how I should carry a 9mm because it's "just as effective" as .40/.45 but with less recoil, and even though I politely respond that I'd rather carry a .40 or .45, they get all defensive over it, ranting about how carrying a .40 or .45 is a waste. So then I actually decide to politely ask what 9mm Luger load equals the performance of a .40 S&W or .45 ACP in a separate thread so that I don't derail any other threads, because if such a load does exist then I'd like to know about it, but they respond by accusing me of trying to start a caliber war. Ugh!

    The way they respond, it honestly seems like they're associating the cartridge with their own self-esteem or something, like 9mm Luger is somehow an extension of themselves and the fact that I simply opt for something else is a direct insult or rejection towards them. An oddly personal response which defies any other explanation. It's a discussion of self-defense cartridges not online dating for crying out loud!

    Don't get me wrong, I've gotten frustrated with folks saying dumb things about self-defense cartridges or firearms online, but it was always them making direct inflammatory statements which were often totally ignorant, not them merely stating that they preferred to carry something else, and I never took it personally either.

    Anyway, rant over. Just wanted to get that off my chest because its a resent thing that's been going on and one with laughably lasting consequences because apparently these guys are so angry with me over it that they've resorted to basically harassing me by bringing it up in other threads since I quit responding to them in the thread itself.
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    The way I see it, some people argue their choice, simply because they think everyone else should choose and carry what they do. When others don't, it causes them to second think their own choices. Makes them uncomfortable.
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    I pretty much quit visiting all the other forums I used to frequent due to what you describe.
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    I've also been on several motorcycle and skydiving forums and believe me, they're the same......'cept skydivers have got to be the worst of all. There are always those few in every sport or activity that are absolute experts on everything they've never done or used. Worse yet, too many are of the mind that if they can't do it, nobody else can either or what they think works for them, is the best and only for everyone.
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    This is the only firearm discussion forum I've visited in at least three or four years. Used to frequent several others but got sick and tired of egos and self-promotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco_Ramírez View Post
    Okay, so I gotta vent about something that has been frustrating me to no end lately... As you probably already know if you follow my posts around here, I've been looking into getting a Winter Carry gun chambered in either .40 S&W or .45 ACP, but have had some trouble deciding which one because they both have some attractive draws to them yet perform similarly. I know that we already discussed it at length here, but I've posted similar threads on other forums because I still can't decide, have no shortage of time, and figured why not get a fresh perspective from other firearms communities? Well, I should have known better and quit while I was ahead after getting a lot of sound advice, opinions, and food for thought from this community, but a mixture of boredom and restlessness drove me to post it elsewhere, foolishly expecting at least something similar to the sort of responses here.

    Unfortunately, every other forum I am a regular poster on has a userbase far less mature than this one, complete with the sort of petulance and projected insecurities one would expect from forums with a bunch of kids who treat the concept of self-defense like big boy cops & robbers in which they brag about what they carry and spin yarns of the hypothetical effectiveness of their firearms in increasingly unlikely self-defense scenarios.
    As a result, all of my posts which even so much as mention that I'm considering to carry a .40 or a .45 get bombarded with responses about how I should carry a 9mm because isn't "just as effective" as .40/.45 but with less recoil, and even though I politely respond that I'd rather carry a .40 or .45, they get all defensive over it, ranting about how carrying a .40 or .45 is a waste because 9mm is just as effective but has less recoil yet more ammo capacity. So then I actually decide to politely ask what 9mm Luger load equals the performance of a .40 S&W or .45 ACP in a separate thread so that I don't derail any other threads, because if such a load does eand they respond by accusing me of trying to start a caliber war. Ugh!

    They way they respond, it honestly seems like they're associating the cartridge with their own self-esteem or something, like 9mm Luger is somehow an extension of themselves and the fact that I simply opt for something else is a direct insult or rejection towards them. An oddly personal response which defies any other explanation. It's a discussion of self-defense cartridges not online dating for crying out load!

    Don't get me wrong, I've gotten frustrated with folks saying dumb things about self-defense cartridges or firearms online, but it was always them making direct inflammatory statements which were often totally ignorant, not them merely stating that they preferred to carry something else, and I never took it personally either.

    Anyway, rant over. Just wanted to get that off my chest because its a resent thing that's been going on and one with laughably lasting consequences because apparently these guys are so angry with me over it that they've resorted to basically harassing me by bringing it up in other threads since I quit responding to them in the thread itself.
    Oh, so we're just a bunch of old guys?

    I am certainly a self-proclaimed expert on (the spelling of the word) guns. Anything else I'll leave to the old, er, mature guys on this forum!

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    I've actually greatly reduced the amount of time that I spend on other firearms forums, but every one in awhile I either get bored or otherwise have been away from said forums long enough that my memories of just how infuriating they can be have faded, then there's that silly part of me that holds out hope that folks on said forums will mature to the point of being less petulant.

    The worst part about it is that there are some folks on these other forums whom I like and get along with, so leaving altogether would prevent me from reading their threads/posts. It's a shame too, because they're usually the first to post in my threads, so I get lulled into a false sense of security so to speak by their posts, only to leave for a bit then return to find the thread bombarded with posts by the immature, insecure fools who apparently simply cannot tolerate an opinion which differs from their own and resort to petty accusations of trolling laced with their own projected insecurities.
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    So now isn't the time for me to mention that bottom feeders are a passing fad, just like smokeless powder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaBravoKS View Post
    Oh, so we're just a bunch of old guys?

    I am certainly a self-proclaimed expert on (the spelling of the word) guns. Anything else I'll leave to the old, er, mature guys on this forum!
    Hey, hey, hey!!!! I was going to thank him for calling us "mature" rather than something derogatory like "old farts" or "fossils" or something. Jeez, Louise, I'll TAKE "mature" thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokewagon View Post
    The way I see it, some people argue their choice, simply because they think everyone else should choose and carry what they do. When others don't, it causes them to second think their own choices. Makes them uncomfortable.

    And, as one gets more "mature", he figures out that, "Hey, that guy thinks .45s are the cat's meow." Maybe I should try one." Yet another excuse for another carry option in the inventory.
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