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    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    Huh?

    I don't get it... How does a bullet with similar ballistic performance to that of the .45 ACP, but with a smaller bullet and lower capacity settle the debate?

    Honestly, I like .44 Special and it's obviously a good cartridge, but it doesn't settle any debate. If they had made that .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum, .44 Magnum, or even .45 Long Colt, then I would at least get that it was pushing power over capacity, but .44 Special offers absolutely nothing over .45 ACP.

    I know, I know... ".44 Special is better than .45 ACP because better sectional density and therefore deeper penetration" but I don't subscribe to the belief that deeper penetration = always better, especially when it comes to cartridges which already penetrate adequately, if anything, it's a detriment due to increased risk of collateral damage as a result of overpenetration.
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    Nothing wrong with the .40 S&W but my vote goes to the 45 acp. I have 2 40's and many more 45's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco_Ramírez View Post
    Huh?

    I don't get it... How does a bullet with similar ballistic performance to that of the .45 ACP, but with a smaller bullet and lower capacity settle the debate?

    Honestly, I like .44 Special and it's obviously a good cartridge, but it doesn't settle any debate. If they had made that .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum, .44 Magnum, or even .45 Long Colt, then I would at least get that it was pushing power over capacity, but .44 Special offers absolutely nothing over .45 ACP.

    I know, I know... ".44 Special is better than .45 ACP because better sectional density and therefore deeper penetration" but I don't subscribe to the belief that deeper penetration = always better, especially when it comes to cartridges which already penetrate adequately, if anything, it's a detriment due to increased risk of collateral damage as a result of overpenetration.
    MY opinion--and we all I think know how that goes!
    BUT-- IF I was of a mind to carry a large frame ,large caliber wheel gun then it would be either the 44 spl or the 45 Colt, not a 44 mag, 41 mag, or a 10 MM.
    all those do is give you more recoil, more muzzle flash and lot more probability of a shoot through and down range possible victims.
    Course i ain't no wheelie gun user anyway so my choice for such limited fire power would be one of my 1911 Officers or Defender size , I can reload those a lot faster.
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    Oh, I won't argue with you there. As far as wheel guns go for self-defense goes, anything more than .357 Magnum is excessive, and .44 Special/.45 Long Colt make excellent choices. (I myself chose a Taurus Judge Magnum as my Bedside Home Defense firearm a couple years ago, and it wasn't just for .410 Bore.)

    I'm talking about the demotivational poster image macro which poses the .44 Special as the answer to the 9mm Luger vs .45 ACP debate, which I feel is ridiculous considering that .44 Special is very close to .45 ACP in terms of performance given their similarities in bullet weight, velocity, and energy foot-pounds, yet a .44 Special revolver is obviously going to hold less rounds than most .45 ACP Semiautomatic Pistols, so you're sacrificing ammo capacity for nearly identical performance.

    Oh, and unlike the supposed equality between 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP that folks are so fond of asserting these days, you don't need a very specific, overpressure load with a heavy for caliber bullet to achieve similar performance between .44 Special and .45 ACP. Just figured I'd get that out of the way before somebody felt the urge to argue that my argument against carrying .44 Special over .45 ACP somehow contradicts my decision to carry .40 S&W or .45 ACP over 9mm Luger which is "just as good" *swings arm in an upward arc* as the former yet holds more rounds in the magazine.
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    Be careful with the capacity argument. There are a whole lotta folk, m&p type folks, who curse large capacity - especially those offering a faster cyclic rate and/or trigger speed. They feel that by offering “spray and pray” that folks will get lazier with their marksmanship.
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    Man, I hope ol' Elmer Keith don't have the net in Heaven. You .44 special bashers could be in BIG trouble.
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    You guys are getting lost again. It ain't about the caliber/bullet, it is about the gun that shoots it. Between the .40, the .45 (both of them) and the .44 Special, the .40 S&W works in a smaller, thinner, lighter gun, and if you actually carry, that is a big deal. It is not about if you can CC a boat anchor, it is about do you want to do that day in, day out. My back gave up on the .45's a long time ago, and I love my Taurus Model 445 snubby, but is is huge, and heavy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    You guys are getting lost again. It ain't about the caliber/bullet, it is about the gun that shoots it. Between the .40, the .45 (both of them) and the .44 Special, the .40 S&W works in a smaller, thinner, lighter gun, and if you actually carry, that is a big deal. It is not about if you can CC a boat anchor, it is about do you want to do that day in, day out. My back gave up on the .45's a long time ago, and I love my Taurus Model 445 snubby, but is is huge, and heavy.
    Oh, well, dang, I guess I'll quit drooling on that Desert Eagle in .50AE down at the LGS. And, here, I thought it was the answer.
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    LOL, you might need to hire a Bearer just to carry it, there Bwana.
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    Battle of Wanat: 10 years ago last 13 July, 1LT Brostram was killed in combat killing the last enemy combatant in the outpost. The LT went to the point of decision and made the difference that turned the tide of the battle. The original investigation found the Bde Cmdr, the Bn Cmdr and the Co Cmdr at fault for dereliction of duty. If you want to see what a sarcastic silver star citation reads like, pull up the company commander's silver star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    You guys are getting lost again. It ain't about the caliber/bullet, it is about the gun that shoots it. Between the .40, the .45 (both of them) and the .44 Special, the .40 S&W works in a smaller, thinner, lighter gun, and if you actually carry, that is a big deal. It is not about if you can CC a boat anchor, it is about do you want to do that day in, day out. My back gave up on the .45's a long time ago, and I love my Taurus Model 445 snubby, but is is huge, and heavy.
    In the .40's favor, and I don't own one, most Pistols so chambered, will be a bit lighter. If you want to compare apples to apples.
    The Glock 21 .45 with 13+1 capacity weighs in empty at 26.46 oz.
    The Glock 22 .40 with 15+1 capacity weighs in empty at 22.75 oz.

    Load the G21 with 185 grain Bullets and the G22 with 180 grain Bullets, is the minor difference in weight really worth bothering with?
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