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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonaredeye View Post
    Are we still talking about 40 vs 45? It’ll be another decade or so before we get enough kill data to properly argue this.

    I spent a month on the trauma service back in early ‘87 and being in Savannah, we soaked up a lot of the southern I-95 corridor DEA/LEO traffic. This was before either the 40 S&W (1990) or the 357SIG (1994) was invented. Mostly we saw 357Mag, 45ACP and 9mm and 38 SPCL wounds; and even though the GSP (Ga State Patrol) was one of the first LEOs to adopt the 45GAP, this was before their time, too. This was just barely after the Miami FBI shootout of ‘86 and the 10mm/40S&W weren’t an idea in an ammo engineer’s head yet. And, well before the discussions which led to 357SIG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    KIA might want to rethink that name Killed In Action.
    HA! That was the first thing I thought when I saw my first Kia.
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    Only one answer to .45 vs. .40.

    If .40 had been a good idea, John Moses Browning would have had it.

    Of course, this is another 'not a caliber war' caliber war tread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    If this ain't the post to put a cap on this thread, I don't know what is!
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    The "caliber wars" are almost as old as the hills. The 45 has a long history going back to the Civil War when the cavalry needed a powerful handgun and Sam Colt came to the rescue. 45 ACP was largely an adaption of the 45 Colt to a semi-auto format.

    https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...igins-history/

    But then, the S&W 40 was an adaption of the 10mm. All-purpose? Maybe there is no such thing.
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    Hmmm.....I guess the .40 S&W was too manly for the FBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    Hmmm.....I guess the .40 S&W was too manly for the FBI.
    Specially the lady agents!
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    I voted for .45ACP because it's what I've got. Truth be told, I doubt there's a dimes difference in the two and, frankly, due to the pistols and their sizes, I usually wind up carrying a 9x19 unless I'm carrying a revolver in either .357 magnum or .38 special.

    These caliber discussions get redundant. I mean, I've been discussing caliber since junior high! Back then it was "the best deer rifle cartridge". It's the oldest argument there is concerning firearms.

    .308 Winchester BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NativeTexan View Post
    I voted for .45ACP because it's what I've got. Truth be told, I doubt there's a dimes difference in the two and, frankly, due to the pistols and their sizes, I usually wind up carrying a 9x19 unless I'm carrying a revolver in either .357 magnum or .38 special.

    These caliber discussions get redundant. I mean, I've been discussing caliber since junior high! Back then it was "the best deer rifle cartridge". It's the oldest argument there is concerning firearms.

    .308 Winchester BTW.
    Then you probably remember the Elmer Keith vs Jack O'Connor dust ups over rifle calibers through the years. Keith was a .33 caliber and up guy with heavy bullets, O'Connor was the champion of the .279 Winchester using plain ol' 130 grain bullets. I think particularly irritating to Keith was O'Connor insisting the .270 was plenty of gun for any animal in North America! Yeah, these discussions are as old as the hills but I still get a kick out of them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Keith View Post
    Then you probably remember the Elmer Keith vs Jack O'Connor dust ups over rifle calibers through the years. Keith was a .33 caliber and up guy with heavy bullets, O'Connor was the champion of the .279 Winchester using plain ol' 130 grain bullets. I think particularly irritating to Keith was O'Connor insisting the .270 was plenty of gun for any animal in North America! Yeah, these discussions are as old as the hills but I still get a kick out of them!
    Yes, I took "outdoor life" when O'Connor was writing for 'em. Neither convinced me as I'd already made my mind up that it didn't get any better than my grandpa's .257 Roberts.
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