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    A PhD, smart individual, if untrained, can screw up like this. Firearms training is pretty important if you're going to take on the responsibility of a firearm.

    I pocket carry DA guns, revolvers or my DA0 9mm. I like a LONG trigger travel with in excess of 8 lbs for such carry. I also carry in a soft pocket holster to keep ANYthing external from getting to the trigger even though I couldn't see a twig or something pushing on my pocket causing it to go off. I stay way the heck clear of striker guns with no safeties and THIS is why. I don't even want one on my belt! I've had my shirt tail get into the holster with the gun as I holster it. With a DA gun, just pull the gun back out and try again. Could be walking with a limp, now, if it'd been a striker gun.

    I love the BS arguments.."safety is between the ears".. and all the talk about booger pickers and bang switches. It hurts NOTHING to have real safety built in to the actual firearm. Your chance of needing the gun is FAR LESS than your chance of perforating your leg with a striker gun. Revolvers are the safest firearm to carry IMHO, ready to fire sans safeties, yet very safe. A .357 magnum can stop a BG with one or two rounds and, at least in MY hands, point naturally. People who talk revolvers down as less than worthless because of lack of firepower either don't practice and can't shoot or are just plain uninformed. If one wanted to take me on with my .357 magnum, I'd hope their life insurance was paid up. Another thing, the fewer rounds I would fire in a fight that I hope never happens, the better. Every round loosed in town is a round you are responsible for should it hit an innocent even accidentally.

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    That said, I do carry my 18 round 9mm a lot. I usually carry it with the 13 round short magazines. 13's plenty even in a Houston ghetto. It's a TH9c. I can carry my Ruger P guns, but the little TH9c is so light, small, and easy to carry. That's sort of why I wanted it. I carry it hammer down, safety off. I mean, you CAN carry it hammer down safety ON if you're REAL paranoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotSo View Post
    From the article: "...9mm Smith & Wesson gun in her purse..." I'm guessing a Shield with no external safety. And I agree wholeheartedly with Czechbikr about purses or anything else where the weapon is not worn physically on the body. Set it down and not only are you disarmed but your weapon is now readily accessible by anyone else in the vicinity.

    I also find it ironic that the title the OP chose uses the phrase "unintentional discharge". Doesn't make the recently deceased sound so bone-headed as characterizing it as negligent. Doesn't change the outcome, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smokewagon View Post
    I didn't know the lady, so I won't say she was stupid, but negligent, yes.
    I was half asleep when I posted, I intended to say "negligent". I don't like the term "accident" for most of these types of discharges, because gun safety is no accident. There are very clear and simple things you should and shouldn't do if you are going to carry a gun off the body. It's not rocket science. Granted, not all unintended discharges are negligent, because I know of a very few over the years of defective guns discharging when chambering a round, but this wasn't that kind of situation. Even in those few cases, no one got hurt because the gun handler kept the barrel pointed in a safe direction when the round was chambered.
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    Well, the number one lesson is, DON'T just toss the gun in a purse!!!!!!!!!! Purses, even the ones made for carry, make poor holsters IMHO.
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    Granted, it doesn't seem as easy for a woman to carry a defensive firearm, but I am adamantly opposed to women carrying their weapons in their purse for a number or reasons.

    First and foremost is that a woman's purse is a tempting target for thieves. If a thief grabs a CCW woman's purse, he not only has the purse, he now has her weapon, too. When I was a cop (1970's), purse snatching was a very common crime, especially in parking lots when the woman was fumbling around getting her shopping bags loaded into her car and not looking around for potential 'problems'. On more than one occasion, when the woman fought back, she was knocked down and beaten and her purse was stolen anyway. I was amazed at how many people back then lacked any sense of 'situational awareness' and it is far worse now when so many people cannot walk 20 feet without checking their cell phones. Even my awareness of my surroundings could be a lot better, but at least I try to look around for potential 'trouble' when I walking to/from a parking lot. It seems that most people are simply oblivious to their surroundings.

    Second reason is that most purses are not designed for quickly accessing anything, including your weapon. I guess a woman could ask the bad person to wait a few minutes while she rummages around for her gun so that she can shoot him.....but I am sure we know how that would go down. Even the purses with the hidden pocket for carrying a weapon just seem like a minor improvement of an overall bad idea of purse-carry.

    Third, and this applies to all purses, not just ones with weapons, I have been in stores so many times where I see women leave their purse in their shopping cart and move away from it, even if it is only 4 or 5 feet...sometimes much farther. I do not see that every time I go shopping, but I have seen it far more often than I would ever have imagined. I want my weapon ON me, not WITH me.

    Lastly, not directly related to purse carry but applies to both men and women. Are you willing to use your weapon to defend yourself? If the answer is "No!".....you would probably be far better off not even having a gun. I say this because years after my cop days were gone, I worked side-by-side with a girl who got her CCW and was purse-carrying a .22 auto. Although not my first choice of weapons, it would be far better than nothing for self defense. She knew I was an ex-cop and asked me what I thought about her weapon. I asked her why she did not want to carry a more effective defensive caliber. Her reply floored me. She said "Oh, I could never shoot anybody. I just want the gun to scare them away!" My response was something to the effect of "Well, that might work in certain situations, but I would not bet MY life on it!"
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    Well, I'll just never go to Ruby Tuesday's to eat.
    You can hear gunfire coming from that place 24/7.
    Accidents happen. Stupid things happen. Stupid people happen. Some people were accidents.
    It's all fun and games pointing fingers with looks of indignation until we do something idiotic.
    Then it wasn't our fault...............
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    My wife carries in a purse designed for such, cross-body, with the "holster" at her right him. I pity the poor guy trying to snatch her purse. She was an MP with me, my gunner on a nuke site, a California Highway Patrol officer, and is now a retired corrections worker. I've seen her drag strong men begging for mercy to the Shift Supervisor.

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    Ages ago, well over 35 years, my aunt was vacationing in Spain and thought that wearing her purse cross shoulder was a secure way to thwart thieves. Her collarbone was severely broken as the thief brought her to the ground...and got away with her purse.
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    Possibly an argument for carrying with no round in the chamber? The owner's manuals for the two FN's I have say not to chamber a round until the need to fire the gun is imminent. Just asking.

    Also, incidents like this make me seriously question the complaints about "stiff triggers" on non-manual safety guns, and the aftermarket light trigger industry for defensive weapons. The so-called "long, stiff" trigger on my first generation LCP has never been a problem for me, even with regards to accuracy. In fact, had my carry Keltec P 11 been a better quality (more durable) gun, I'd have no issues with the notorious trigger and still be carrying it Nevertheless, enough people complained about the long stiff LCP trigger that they came out with a lighter trigger version.

    I will also say that while regular training is essential, there are bound to be - like in every other facet of life - people who don't live up to the standard of the ideal, training included. This means there will never be a total absence of fatal accidents and it also means there may be people for whom carrying in condition 3 makes the most sense.
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    This is why open or concealed "constitutional carry" is legal only in a holster in Mississippi . To many glock legs and not enough Band-Aids. Safety on a hammer da/sa is redundant three times over a striker fire.
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    My wife carries in her purse. Her pistol is in a Holster that's securely fastened to the inside and the holster is fashioned so that the trigger cannot be touched withour it being full removed from that Holster. Along with the fact that the S&W Bodyguard 380 is DA only, the chances of an ND are very slim. And, yes, she does carry with one in the pipe.

    She has friends who carry their pistols loosely in the bottom of their purses.

    IMO, an accident just waiting to happen.
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