If the .380 ACP is enough, what about the .32 ACP?
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    If the .380 ACP is enough, what about the .32 ACP?

    Just for conversational purposes; we don't need to get to serious, but Sunday afternoon, as usual except when pre-empted by Cowboy games, I listen to Gun Talk Radio outside with a 6-pack and a few cigarillos that I don't smoke in the house and only when I drink beer.

    A guest that Tom Gresham likes to have on as frequently as possible is Tiger McKee, who I'm sure you Alabama folks know. He and Rob Pincus are about the 2 trainers I admire most, and I could certainly see myself driving to Alabama for Tiger's instruction.

    So they get on the topic of effective cartridges where times are definitely different than from when I started handgunning. Luckily for me, I could shoot a DA .357 revolver in DA mode and not really have to take one side or the other in the great Caliberite vs Capacitonion debate (on a civil day). Today, with modern ammo and improved bullet technology, there isn't much debate, so long as reason is applied. But when they unanimously endorsed the 9 x 19mm, Tiger said, "even .380." There's a pretty significant drop in bullet weight and velocity between 9mm and .380 ACP, so what about the .32 ACP? Is it viable? If the .380 is so much better than the .32, why do we not draw the same conclusion when comparing .380 to 9mm?

    Anyway, what prompted this was an email I got a little while ago where SPEER is announcing a new 35 gr. Gold Dot in .25 ACP! Personally, I'd use a .22 long or even short before I'd consider a .25 ACP that I'd be more likely to use as a weight for fishing offshore. Nonetheless, .25 ACP pistols have been carried by police as back-up pistols for years. I go to the SPEER reloading site and find that there is no Gold Dot for loading the .32 and Hornady's offering of the XTP is only 60 grs.

    So how do you personally view the .32 ACP vs the .380 ACP?

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    Not knowing a lot about ballistics, I would probably question why a lot of Euro agencies which used to carry .380 Auto have changed over to 9mm Luger. They didn't change to use .32 ACP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czechbikr View Post
    Not knowing a lot about ballistics, I would probably question why a lot of Euro agencies which used to carry .380 Auto have changed over to 9mm Luger. They didn't change to use .32 ACP.
    CB, over there, of course, it's called the 7.65mm and it once was quite popular in LE circles. I think back and laugh at the first Saltzman and Broccoli Bond flick Dr. No where Bond is issued the PPk in 7.65mm and the armorer, or armourer, for one movie, at least, told Bond something like, "it hits like a ton of bricks!"

    I have to admit that I have always wanted to shoot the CZ 82(?) in .32 ACP or 7.65mm Browning. For a blow-back operated pistol that handles the .380 as well as it does, it should be a pure joy in .32!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57K View Post
    CB, over there, of course, it's called the 7.65mm and it once was quite popular in LE circles. I think back and laugh at the first Saltzman and Broccoli Bond flick Dr. No where Bond is issued the PPk in 7.65mm and the armorer, or armourer, for one movie, at least, told Bond something like, "it hits like a ton of bricks!"

    I have to admit that I have always wanted to shoot the CZ 82(?) in .32 ACP or 7.65mm Browning. For a blow-back operated pistol that handles the .380 as well as it does, it should be a pure joy in .32!
    My first question refers the the highlighted statement. Was he referring to the 32 bullet, or to throwing the gun at the intended victim ?

    No I will not volunteer to stand down range while someone else discharges it in my direction, I would probably get hit in the eye and be blinded.

    Yes I own a 32, because I didn't, no I will not buy another. They seem to be long on trigger pull and short on substance.

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    My general rule on European agencies is that they don't know beans about guns. As for the 32acp, the gun magazines used to wax on about the old Seecamp 32acp, said it was the absolute best concealable gun of it's day. They may have even been right, because the small 9mm guns that we see everywhere today were not even around yet. I guess it did okay, I've never seen any ballistics on it but as with any smaller caliber, I imagine shot placement is everything with it. I would think that deep concealment is the best package for this, and stick to major caliber when you can.
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    If i remember correctly, after all the wars in Europe the .32 was not considered a military "round" and not subject to post war disarmament accords. Civilian use is still popular and i have no idea about caliber restrictions of today but it was so long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastaurusguy View Post
    My general rule on European agencies is that they don't know beans about guns. As for the 32acp, the gun magazines used to wax on about the old Seecamp 32acp, said it was the absolute best concealable gun of it's day. They may have even been right, because the small 9mm guns that we see everywhere today were not even around yet. I guess it did okay, I've never seen any ballistics on it but as with any smaller caliber, I imagine shot placement is everything with it. I would think that deep concealment is the best package for this, and stick to major caliber when you can.
    You had to sign up on their rather long waiting list to get one and they were kind of expensive to boot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastaurusguy View Post
    My general rule on European agencies is that they don't know beans about guns. As for the 32acp, the gun magazines used to wax on about the old Seecamp 32acp, said it was the absolute best concealable gun of it's day. They may have even been right, because the small 9mm guns that we see everywhere today were not even around yet. I guess it did okay, I've never seen any ballistics on it but as with any smaller caliber, I imagine shot placement is everything with it. I would think that deep concealment is the best package for this, and stick to major caliber when you can.
    You might be way underestimating the German, Czech, Austrian and Hungarian police agencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ? Marquis View Post
    You might be way underestimating the German, Czech, Austrian and Hungarian police agencies.
    Then again, I may not be.
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    I carry a 380 most of the time (Bersa)- bit on occasion will carry a 9mm.
    The wife has the Beretta 32 Tomcat- she will not part with it.
    I am not afraid of 32..... just realize its for up close work....

    I have heard some talk about "spoon balling" a 32 acp fmj to make it tumble on impact thereby increasing its woundability.




    Also there is the extreme cavitator bullet- 2 videos- first is short for a laugh- then another a little more serious-


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