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    For mine I have no idea?
    I am not a collector so to me it wouldn't be anyhtign that i would buy or be intersted in.
    but as it was a gift from the Family then I keep it but have never checked value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70 View Post
    Are these worth anything? I went by my LGS today and they had one just like this one. The guy behind the counter told me that someone had come in and sold off their collection of 6 of those Lemon Squeezers and the other five were sold pretty quick. The one they had left was in a lot better condition than this one, probably 90-95% of the blue left and no obvious abuse, scratches or other marks that I could see, really a nice piece. I think they wanted $499 for this one, but then I think they always price their used guns high in the expectation that you will negotiate them down 25%, or more.
    Some background.

    32 S&W is a very soft shooting round and can be shot accurately and fast. The Top-Breaks from most of the makers were also auto ejecting and can even be used with a modern speed loader. There are still generally parts available for them but the search can be a challenge at times and very few modern gunsmiths are familiar with the critters. Many though were black powder guns and so you need to really do your homework in detail before making a purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sig_230 View Post
    Some background.

    32 S&W is a very soft shooting round and can be shot accurately and fast. The Top-Breaks from most of the makers were also auto ejecting and can even be used with a modern speed loader. There are still generally parts available for them but the search can be a challenge at times and very few modern gunsmiths are familiar with the critters. Many though were black powder guns and so you need to really do your homework in detail before making a purchase.
    Very good information you posted, just wanted to add a little to it. Some of those handguns that were designed during the black powder cartridge era will accept modern ammo, although it might or might not be safe to use. A friend of mine inherited a Hopkins and Allen 1901 forehand model .32 S&W 5 shot handgun. We put modern ammo in it to test it out, then later found out on the web that some of those old .32's couldn't take the pressure. I read something about a test where a handgun fractured after 832 modern rounds. Fortunately we couldn't afford to shoot it that much, since modern .32 S&W ammo is becoming expensive and difficult to find.

    Even though the H&A .32 and the lemon squeezers probably shouldn't be used in the modern era as CC guns, they deserve a place in history, because they were carried back in the day when Teddy Roosevelt became president when McKinley was assassinated, there were more horses than cars on the roads, Baseball was the top sport in the US, a college professor allegedly earned $3,500 a year and a skilled laborer such as a plumber earned $1,248 a year, roast beef cost 15 cents per pound and milk was 6 cents per quart, the average life span for men was 46 years old and for 48 for women. Major causes of death were tuberculosis, pneumonia, malaria, diphtheria, and influenza, and electricity was used more in industry than in most homes. Unfortunately as much as things have changed, the need for a person to have the means to be able to protect themselves from violent criminals has not.
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    This has been an interesting discussion to follow and the comparison of European vs. North American lines of thought about defensive gun/cartridges leaves out something I think is missing in the discussion. It seems to me that defining of stopping power and how it is derived has changed somewhat over time. It used to be that shooting someone in any part of the anatomy might stop what is going on and the aggressor lives through it and gets sent to jail. After all, who wants to get shot a second or third time? Now that we are at the point where 19% of the next century has nearly passed it appears stopping power means putting the aggressor on the ground or terminating his/her life with the first hit is the standard. While the addition of some drugs into the human body can change what the aggressor does and or feels after the first impact I can not help but think we as individuals have been sucked into the bigger is better vortex.

    What do I carry? Most of the time it is a Ruger LCP from the first batch and yes it has had the recall changes made. I am not sure I could hit a refrigerator at 7 yards, but inside 5 feet the odds change. I can recall a discussion on ARFCOM in the last couple of years where a woman was defending herself and I believe it was in Florida with a .32 acp. The aggressor didn't live to talk about the encounter. My father had a Colt 1903 pocket automatic like the one pictured earlier in this thread in the top drawer of his business for 30 some years and thankfully never had to get it out of the drawer except when he sold the business and took it home when he retired. Do I want to be under gunned when more horsepower is called for ... No! But, size does matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spentprimer View Post
    This has been an interesting discussion to follow and the comparison of European vs. North American lines of thought about defensive gun/cartridges leaves out something I think is missing in the discussion. It seems to me that defining of stopping power and how it is derived has changed somewhat over time. It used to be that shooting someone in any part of the anatomy might stop what is going on and the aggressor lives through it and gets sent to jail. After all, who wants to get shot a second or third time? Now that we are at the point where 19% of the next century has nearly passed it appears stopping power means putting the aggressor on the ground or terminating his/her life with the first hit is the standard. While the addition of some drugs into the human body can change what the aggressor does and or feels after the first impact I can not help but think we as individuals have been sucked into the bigger is better vortex.

    What do I carry? Most of the time it is a Ruger LCP from the first batch and yes it has had the recall changes made. I am not sure I could hit a refrigerator at 7 yards, but inside 5 feet the odds change. I can recall a discussion on ARFCOM in the last couple of years where a woman was defending herself and I believe it was in Florida with a .32 acp. The aggressor didn't live to talk about the encounter. My father had a Colt 1903 pocket automatic like the one pictured earlier in this thread in the top drawer of his business for 30 some years and thankfully never had to get it out of the drawer except when he sold the business and took it home when he retired. Do I want to be under gunned when more horsepower is called for ... No! But, size does matter.
    Given that under stress our skill for proper and effective aim deteriorates greatly, capacity may be more the answer to an adequate self defense than the caliber of the round that we send downrange. This also may come into play as the cowardly perps often travel in packs these days.
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    If you are comfortable with the gun you use, regardless of caliber, then shot placement goes up greatly................
    No matter how much an individual practices, bottom line is no one is gonna know how well they do until
    their life depends on it, period, Carry what you want and are happy with, in today's world most crooks turn tail and leave without thinking about what
    someone pulled and shot at them with..................
    Just a thought.................
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    Speaking of which, I never had a TCP732, now I want one................
    Thanks gang for giving me something to search for!................
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    Quote Originally Posted by spentprimer View Post
    This has been an interesting discussion to follow and the comparison of European vs. North American lines of thought about defensive gun/cartridges leaves out something I think is missing in the discussion. It seems to me that defining of stopping power and how it is derived has changed somewhat over time. It used to be that shooting someone in any part of the anatomy might stop what is going on and the aggressor lives through it and gets sent to jail. After all, who wants to get shot a second or third time? Now that we are at the point where 19% of the next century has nearly passed it appears stopping power means putting the aggressor on the ground or terminating his/her life with the first hit is the standard. While the addition of some drugs into the human body can change what the aggressor does and or feels after the first impact I can not help but think we as individuals have been sucked into the bigger is better vortex.

    What do I carry? Most of the time it is a Ruger LCP from the first batch and yes it has had the recall changes made. I am not sure I could hit a refrigerator at 7 yards, but inside 5 feet the odds change. I can recall a discussion on ARFCOM in the last couple of years where a woman was defending herself and I believe it was in Florida with a .32 acp. The aggressor didn't live to talk about the encounter. My father had a Colt 1903 pocket automatic like the one pictured earlier in this thread in the top drawer of his business for 30 some years and thankfully never had to get it out of the drawer except when he sold the business and took it home when he retired. Do I want to be under gunned when more horsepower is called for ... No! But, size does matter.
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    You might be surprised at the potential accuracy of the LCP with practice. I tested out a friend's LCP (original not LCP 2) and even with the less than great trigger I got a 6 inch group at 50 feet. Before I tried it I thought it was going to end up being 12-18 inches instead. To do this I had to pull the trigger very slowly however, much slower than prudent in a self defense situation. Also the owner painted the front sight red. At 5 yards I shot 6 shots in under 6 seconds total time and got a under 2 and a half group dead center of the target with 4 of the 6 shots with Perfecta ball ammo. The other 2 rounds I fired at the head of the target and both rounds were within an inch of each other. I was doing a drill where you fire 2 shots center mass and 1 head shot. Granted 2.5 inches isn't great at 5 yards compared to a large pistol, but for a pocket pistol that can fit in a wallet holster and stuffed into the pockets of some shorts isn't bad either. I suspect with practice (or with the LCP 2 trigger) I might do better. The downside for me with a LCP is it's not comfortable to shoot a lot of rounds at any one practice session. About the only thing that kicks worse for me is an airweight 38 snub nose revolver with skinny grips and +P ammo.

    It seems like a lot of discussion about so called stopping power of an individual round is skewed by police encounters, where the suspect knows merely running away from the person shooting at him is going to be enough. How many times have you heard of some criminal saying that if they are confronted by the police that they are not going to be taken alive? Now many times that is just tough talk, and they are captured without getting shot, but in some cases they are true to their word. With a citizen self defense situation against the common criminal the criminal just wants an easy target, and sometimes just the fact they are getting shot at is enough, even when not hit. It's a pretty rare situation where a robber or rapist is going to fight to the death with an armed potential victim. Now if the attacker has some personal reason for attacking the victim the situation might be different, and they might be motivated to continue the fight.
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    I am currently working toward finding a way to carry my Sig P365 comfortably. For now, I carry a KelTec P32 in a DeSantis G3 pocket holster, shoved into shorts pocket. I take great comfort in that I at least am armed with SOMETHING, even if is not my ideal caliber. Better a .32 in your pocket, than a .45 at home in the safe!
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