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    External safety question.

    Can anyone help me understand the issue people have with external safeties on carry guns? It is even permeating the Army to a point that there are schools that teach chambering a round then taking the M9 off of safe before you holster it.

    I don't understand the mentality when so many people train with AR platform rifles and routinely move the selector from safe to semi when negotiating courses of fire. The same people drive cars and have to do several tasks simultaneously when dealing with emergencies.

    I am having a tough time grasping the logic and google searching "safety" and anything related to firearms on the web only brings up politics and propaganda. Thanks for the help.

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    I got used to guns with a safety, it's just part of the draw to me.
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    Same here. I am a frame mounted safety fan, but I practice drawing and thumbing the slide mounted safety off of the M9 since my awesome Uncle says I have to carry one.
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    Some people like them. Some people don't. That's really about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91 whiskey View Post
    Some people like them. Some people don't. That's really about it.
    Pretty much sums it up.
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    I grew up with 1911's around as well as DA revolvers. I feel fine with or without mechanical safties. I carry weapons with and without mechanical safeties (revolvers and semiautomatic, well none of my revolvers have them ).

    Some people argue that it's one more thing you have to remember in a stressful situation. I never bought that argument. I talked to some WWII vets who needed to use thier 1911's in self defence and none mentioned safeties being an issue. And those were stressful situations. (I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a Japanese bonzi charge)

    To me the most important thing is to be familiar with your weapon, mechanical safety or not.
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    It's like anything else... people have opinions. And we all know what they say about opinions.
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    Some pistols can be decocked with one in the chamber, then disengaging the safety. And being double action for that first round, it's much like carrying a revolver.
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    The criticism probably comes mostly from Glock owners

    But in seriousness, most people who are against carrying guns with external safety argue that the person might forget to disengage the safety on their pistol when it comes to a critical life-and-death situation when you have to draw your CCW and defend yourself. They argue that the stress or confusion may lead the person to forget to disengage the safety after drawing the pistol.

    The real bottom line is, it is a training and familiarity issue with the pistol you choose to carry whether you want a safety or not.
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    I don't like the safety on my Bersa Thunder, so I don't use it. I chamber a round, use the safety to decock the gun, then turn the safety off. Double action trigger pull on my first shot, just like a revolver.
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