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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMck View Post
    The above is a good explanation, except I am a Lefty so the Safety is on the wrong side for me. Could some Lefty's go over your method of Draw.
    I either buy guns with an ambi safety already on it, have an ambi safety put on it after I buy it or it gets relegated to being a range gun- if I waste the money on it at all. If it's a DA/SA that I can decock safely (see my first post on the thread), then I just ignore the safety completely. The right handed safety on my little Beretta Tomcat has never been used at all, as an example.

    I ain't carrying a gun that I can't manipulate safely, quickly and efficiently for self defense. I'm not drawing and then having to break my grip on the gun to reach over and disengage a safety. I also don't like hitting the safety while the gun's still in the holster.

    Draw stroke is simple.

    Get a high grip on the gun (web of the hand high on the back strap, indexing the placement of the fingers based on the location of the middle knuckle of the middle finger's contact on the bottom of the trigger guard) with the thumb appropriately close- but not in contact- with the safety( with a 1911, I draw with a 'high thumb' and sweep it down disengaging the safety as I 'close' my fist around the gun as it levels out). Once the gun is clear of the holster, and as it starts to rotate muzzle forward, the thumb disengages the safety after the support hand meets the shooting hand (coming from underneath) and then the arms extend towards the target.

    If shooting 1 handed, the rotation of the muzzle to level happens at the same time as the safety is disengaged.
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    My carry piece is PF9, DAO, with no safety. I carry with 1 in the chamber.

    On occasions that I carry my 1911 Thrasher, Safety on, 1 in the chamber.
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    Th9c which is da/sa. Cocked and locked or uncocked. DA pull would be very difficult to accidentally discharge a round.

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    DA only - safety is moot. SA/DA depending upon the existence of a de-cocker. SA/DA no decocker? Safety on. SA only? safety on unless it has both a grip and a trigger safety. Always one in the pipe.
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    I carry my HK USP40 safety off. The only striker fired pistols I own with manual safeties are my S&W M&P pistols and if carrying one I carry safety on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    If you have to wonder, then you need more time on the gun.

    I don't buy into the, 'I'll forget the safety', argument. You saw what gun you strapped on and you better already know what it takes to make it work.

    I also don't buy the, 'I'll get confused by jumping between guns', argument either. If that happens, then one might need to be handling your guns more often. I can tell my supposedly identical SAA clones apart by how they feel in my hand, so don't tell me going from a double stack 1911 like my Para to a Witness is going to confuse me.
    The point made was not to have two different methods with the same gun. During a period of time I was carrying both a Combat Commander and a Sig DA/SA gun without a safety. I could switch between the two (although I still don't like DA/SA actions), but I never carried the Colt sometimes with the safety on and sometimes with the safety off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk View Post
    The point made was not to have two different methods with the same gun. During a period of time I was carrying both a Combat Commander and a Sig DA/SA gun without a safety. I could switch between the two (although I still don't like DA/SA actions), but I never carried the Colt sometimes with the safety on and sometimes with the safety off.
    I forget who posted above that he switched between one in the camber and with the same gun empty and I had this same thought. Consistency is the key as you point out. People worry about the micro second it takes to switch off the manual safety when the real pause would be...it there one in the pipe or do I have to rack the slide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sid_Matheny View Post
    I was just wondering how most carry their guns that have a safety. Safety on or safety off. I do both depending on where I am going.
    Any of mine that are equipped with a manual safety, I train with it as such, and carry it as such. To me, if it has a manual safety, then use it, but you do have to train with it in that operation. JMHO.
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    I tend to prefer autos without safeties: think GLOCK and Sig DA/SA. My Sig365 has no safety and I pocket carry it.

    Safetied autos, I don't mind and I will carry them. My XDM in 10mm has the grip safety Springfield autos are known for in their xD models but you don't have to think about them as it is pressed if you grip the pistol with a good grip.

    As to revolvers, I'll carry them as my sidearm when hunting and don't take any training to get used to.
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    I used to carry pistols with safeties. As things have progressed (and humans have regressed), I've found that keeping things simple is not just a principle or taught- it's the way things should be in the modern world. And in "modern", I'm not talking within the past decade or this century. I mean 'today'.
    "Safety" is between your ears when it comes to firearms. With pistols, a "safety" is an extra move for muscle memory. Don't get me wrong, I grew up on a 1911A1 and even years down the road I sought out another similar pistol in the way of a SIG P220SAO. I spent time with a Ruger P89DC that I thought had very good ergonomics for a defensive pistol just on the cusp of "concealed carry" actually becoming a reality in a lot of states including mine. Back in those days I bought magazines like Guns and Ammo at the newsstands or grocery stores and I read articles. Pre-internet days is what I'm saying for most folks. I started to reload for rifle and I got into monthly competition. The day I shot my first Glock was the day I advanced in the realm of handguns, self protection, competition, and a better sense of the world around me. Y2K came along and changed a few venues. Then the hurricanes down south and martial law and looting and all of that crap got me better fixed on what "self-preservation" entails and what it should look like in a handbook sort of like a roadmap.
    First time I picked up and shot a Glock pistol sort of changed my world for good. IIRC twas sometime in 1998 when I saw a G27 at LGS and fell in love (had to have it). The Glock pistols were in the 3rd generation by then. The 3rd is the best IMO. I'm still stuck there and with what works for me. I've had most of the Glock pistol models go through my hands. Worked with, shot no telling how many tens of thousands of rounds with. I did take a Glock Armorer's course in 2010. Lawrence, Kansas matter of fact. This furthered my understanding of a "combat handgun". Maybe, just maybe they had some really good Kool-ade. Maybe I just happened to be thirsty.
    But here's the thing- what do you really need an external safety for exactly?
    Oh I carried cocked and locked on those 1911A1s and the SIG P220SAO was perfect as in I could chamber a round with the safety on! My muscle memory and combat courses taught me via the USMC back in 1982 and 1883 got me through some rough times in following years.
    Now that the taxpayer and the government are not supporting my development like they once were, I've gone out on my own to be the best I can be. The survival skills are still there (thank you taxpayers). One lasting difference between myself and the average civilian is I'll kill my enemy without remorse. Typical civilians will fold, lay down, give in due to some form of moral perception that humans are inherently good.
    I'll tell you that humans are inherently evil. Just take a look back to 9/11 in this country. You have neighbors and friends willing to kill over filling their car with gasoline.
    Humans are pathetic. Humans are a disease devouring this planet.
    Did I get too far off subject?
    In the real world it's my belief that any "safety" on a handgun is a hindrance to muscle memory and in the mindset. It's an excuse or roadblock to the will to kill. That so-called "safety" can and will get you killed.
    I completely understand folks want to get a CC permit. But most don't even know why and never plan on defending themselves. Apparently it's just a popular thing to do and giving $$ to the master.

 

 
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