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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickthus View Post
    No federal court will up hold California law as they are unconstitutional. The chance of me being caught are slim to none. California can pound sand and kiss my grits. I carry legal and when I can't I'm still legal. The federal courts have to back me.. It's the law.
    That's a dangerous attitude to take. Even Justice Scalia said that there is nothing that says the second amendment can't be restricted from state to state. How much restriction is completely up to a judge, and if you feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to explore that, then hey, have fun.
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    Reciprocity varies greatly between states. Here's a resource to give an idea of that.

    https://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastaurusguy View Post
    That's a dangerous attitude to take. Even Justice Scalia said that there is nothing that says the second amendment can't be restricted from state to state. How much restriction is completely up to a judge, and if you feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to explore that, then hey, have fun.
    The state may tell me how I can carry but they can not stop me from carry. If they so infringe me to stop me it is unconstitutional. So has the SCOTUS ruled. As they should. I must be able to move with my firearm at will.
    The power does not go to the state as it is in the constitution.
    I have been carrying for over 20 years. Flown into California a few times with my carry in checked bag. I carry legal as I can. I can't help it if they can't follow the law. We would still be British subjects if we didn't do what we have to. I'm not going to do anything but what I have too but I'm going to be free to do it. Outlaws have been some of our greatest countrymen serving as patriots in peace time and war. If i'm legal in one place or an outlaw in another makes me no different as who i am. That's how it is and i'm ok with. King George and the liberal trash in this country can pound sand. My rights you can't have. after all the laws that were broken and illegal games played by the liberal fbi, doj, nsa, irs, deep state players and nobody going to jail... LOL i like my odds on staying out of jail. I carry legal. And the good Lord forbit i can't i'm not stupid enough to get caught.
    I'm not one of these open carry idiots that try to make a point. I'm a lawful citizen doing the best i can. And i'm better than most at that. I'll be fine just like i have for the last 45 years. I have more fingers and toes than i have had to carry dirty. I'm not planning on ever having to go back to a liberal cesspool again.
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    Michigan requires a training course which includes a wee bit of range time (to make sure that the shooter realizes that the bullets come out of the pointy end) and classroom time. The classroom time does discuss tactics and situational awareness, but spends most of the time talking about the legal and ethical ramifications of carry. Pass the course, go to the government, get finger printed, record checked, and depleted of money and in a couple of weeks you get a plastic card that recognizes your right to carry concealed. All in all, expect to spend about $200. Michigan is an open carry state and as long as you don't conceal, you don't have to do any of that, just strap on a holster.
    Does it match up with the TV shows of either the Olde West or gang-plagued cities. No and, well maybe.
    There are very few incidents involving Concealed Pistol License holders. Unfortunately the number is greater than zero, but as a group, license holders are an extremely peaceable group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxTom View Post
    I'm curious as to how you guys, who carry firearms on a regular basis, get the authority to do so. Now I am aware that, given there could be 50 different and or individual State criterion, training and courses may well differ dependent on where you live.

    So, with that in mind, pray tell an old guy from the Old Country what your courses consist of. Going armed on a daily basis is so unimaginable here. There would be social, ethical and moral implications to deal with. Believe me I fully understand the weight of responsibility you must carry; my only experience in relation to that comes from Army service back in the '70's in Northern Ireland (and I ended up doing four tours of the province..!!).

    I am also aware of the many 'training' establishments that abound in the US. I never managed to get there myself for one reason or another, but I have good friends who used to go to Tac Pro Shooting Centre in Texas (and run by a former British Royal Marine..!! ).

    Tell all..
    If you are really interested in the 50 shades of Concealed Carry, check this website out: https://handgunlaw.us/ . Gary Slicker does a phenomenal job of keeping this updated. The only real definitive way of knowing all the nuances is to explore each states laws in depth. For example, in Ohio, where I live, it's the State's Attorney General who defines the laws for carry. It's probably that way in most states, but 50 states have 50 different sets of codes. And they change quite frequently.
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    Please excuse those who show their immaturity by claiming that our Constitution is all the authority they need. It's quite simply not true.

    What is required does vary greatly from location to location and honestly almost moment to moment. There simply is no overriding authority relating to firearms in the US.

    We also face all the same social, ethical and moral implications you good folk experience and so even when legal, what is acceptable in one location and one time will vary; legal and acceptable are simply not synonymous.

    I've only experienced a few of the training requirements but honestly I found them to be really inadequate and almost laughable. Most of the people I know that also carry regularly hold themselves to far higher standards than what is required. In most cases I've experienced the requirements related to law and practice have been minimal, the requirements for proficiency very minimal and almost no requirements regarding safety or maintenance. Also, none of the licensing I've experienced had any requirement for re-certification.

    I wish we placed higher standards of testing and also added a reasonable re-certification interval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredward View Post
    In Kentucky, you go into a gun store, fill out a federally required form, present ID, and a background check is initiated at the point of sale. In the vast majority of cases, it's approved within ten minutes. You then pay for your gun, load it, and stick it in your pocket. If you really want to be fancy (like me), you pay 80 bucks, go to a video course presented by an attorney, and shoot 20 rounds into a man shaped target at 7 yards. If you hit the target 11 times out of 20, you get a permit. The Kentucky State Police reviews that permit every 30 days, and will make you turn it in if you've been convicted of a crime in the last month. The permit allows you to buy the gun without a background check. In my local area, I'd say about 40 percent of the people are carrying concealed. You often see a gun unintentionally exposed by someone reaching. In theory, a local chicken joint/bar bans the carry of weapons union entry. In fact, they say nothing if you don't sit at the bar. I see many ranch hands in the restaurant openly carrying handguns. I believe it's the safest place in public in the state.
    Careful there!!! You wont be loading the weapon in the gun shop to stick it in your pocket...TESTING loadin on the range yes... but loading at the counter is still illegal
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    In Tennessee to get my Handgun Carry Permit (HCP) I took an 8 hour course then went to the Dept of Motor Vehicles (driver licenses) to apply, then fingerprints at another location and the info is submitted to the Dept. of Safety for background checks.
    May take a couple of weeks to months to be approved, depending on work load or pandemic.
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    Most states interpret the law (the 2nd amendment to our Constitution) to mean that the state "Shall issue" permits; meaning that as long as you have no felony convictions, and are of sound mind (not under psychiatric care or medications), you are allowed to have a permit.

    Some states interpret the law that the state "May issue" permits; meaning they can be selective in who they give permits to. They make it hard, and you have to show a valid need to have a permit (private investigator, diamond transporter, celebrity that has received death threats). These states are Massachusettes, New York, New Jersey, and California. A few states make it a little hard, but if you're persistant you can get a permit.

    Each state has their own requirements to get a Concealed Carry Weapon permit (CCW). Again, some hard, some easy.
    In Nevada, I had to attend 8 hours of classroom instruction, and pass a qualification at a shooting range.
    The class was easy, as was the qualification; but it did weed out the complete morons and totally inept.
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    By the way... I also owned a Mini, a Manx and a Super Snipe as well as assorted Jags, Morris Garages, Austins and Loti.
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