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    Winter Carry Load?

    I was cleaning my PT111 G2 after the last trip to the range and was thinking about what to reload in the mags.

    Since it is definitely winter here now and almost everyone has on a winter type coat or heavy sweater I briefly considered loading 9mm ball. After some thought I settled on 147 grain HST HP rather than the 124 grain HST HP I had shot at the range.

    Good choice for winter carry or no?

    What are your thoughts on changing your carry loads depending on the season and what most people around you will be wearing?
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    I don't think my 115s would bounce off. Of course, I'm in south Texas. Winter is relative.
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    Sounds like a solid choice to me. However, you really don't have to worry that much. Bullets failing to penetrate winter clothing is practically an Urban Legend nowadays. Honestly, watch these...




    If clothing can't stop a .22LR, then it most certainly can't stop 9mm Luger.

    Personally, I carry Hornady American Gunner 180gr XTPs in my Smith & Wesson SIGMA SW40VE.

    Admittedly, XTPs are deep penetrating bullets, especially in 180gr .40 S&W. However, I'm not carrying them because I'm concerned about Winter Clothing impeding performance, but rather because of an increasing amount of wild predatory animal sightings in my area.
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    Year round, I carry the same 180gr Remington JHP, in my most carried 40 cal. I see no need to change for seasons.
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    You're overthinking it.

    The only anecdotal evidence I know of the 9mm lacking penetration was a 90gr load the Germans came up with during WWII- and that was only on the Eastern Front during the winter against Soviet troops wearing multiple layers under frozen overcoats.
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    No offense intended to the OP, but I spent 46 years 8 months in Law Enforcement in one county and two federal law enforcement agencies.

    In each we carried the same ammo year round. I urge you all to check with your city, county or state agencies and you'll get the same answer.

    I don't know where this seasonal phenomenal started, but if it were true winter jackets would be cheaper than the best body armor.
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    Take it for what it's worth, no lab coats involved here but I found this interesting. Shooting through several layers of clothing and a rack of ribs appears to have resulted in increased penetration with .380 HPs. The good part starts around 2:32.

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    The advent of the 'wonder' hollowpoints that are on the market now, really make seasonal planning unnecessary. The good hollowpoints should expand reliably no matter how many layers of clothing they have to go through.
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    Yep, at most shooting through barriers only increases penetration by plugging up the hollow point's cavity, thus essentially making it function as an FMJ.

    I carried .380 ACP as a primary self-defense cartridge with the utmost confidence up until last year when an increasing number of reports of wild animals appearing in my residential area, over the past few years finally convinced me then the weather permits it, I really ought to be carrying something a bit more potent.

    Honestly, the only time I ever heard anyone claim that .380 ACP wouldn't penetrate a Winter Coat came from a guy whom I can only presume was drunk because his anecdotal evidence was a story in which he and a friend were headed out of a liquor store when they were suddenly accosted by a man in the parking lot, resulting in his friend shooting the guy point blank with a Bersa Thunder 380, but the bullet bounced right off the guy's jacket and they ended up having to wrestle the guy to the ground together. As legitimate as that tale seems and as trustworthy of a source some guy on a forum who had admittedly been drinking at the time is, I just couldn't discount all of the evidence to the contrary.
    Wait, I just remembered another story I read on another forum about how some guy's brother-in-law's friend had supposedly been shot with a .380 by his girlfriend's redneck father when he caught them messing around, but the bullet allegedly was stopped by his leather belt, leaving him with little more than a bruise. Oh, and supposedly that guy went on to marry that girl, in spite of being shot by her father. I dunno, maybe it was a Shotgun Wedding? *shrugs*
    Either way, as convincing as it may seem, I just couldn't quite bring myself to accept their testimony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco_Ramírez View Post
    Sounds like a solid choice to me. However, you really don't have to worry that much. Bullets failing to penetrate winter clothing is practically an Urban Legend nowadays. Honestly, watch these...




    If clothing can't stop a .22LR, then it most certainly can't stop 9mm Luger.

    Personally, I carry Hornady American Gunner 180gr XTPs in my Smith & Wesson SIGMA SW40VE.

    Admittedly, XTPs are deep penetrating bullets, especially in 180gr .40 S&W. However, I'm not carrying them because I'm concerned about Winter Clothing impeding performance, but rather because of an increasing amount of wild predatory animal sightings in my area.
    But...are the wild predatory animals wearing Carhartt jackets???
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