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    I open carry a sidearm. I will not open carry a long arm just to garner attention, although I will when I am using one. That usually puts me at a range or in the field somewhere, never have I been compelled to carry a long arm anywhere else just because I can. And I do think it hurts our cause.

    Open carry of a sidearm is really quite normal here, you see it every day. The biggest reaction I have ever gotten was from a police officer who upon seeing my empty holster asked where my sidearm was. When I told him locked in the car safe his response was that it wasn’t doing me any good there. ( I was going to a place that I could not carry and I actually believe that the officer was just making sure that I had not lost my sidearm. And I do use a Level 3 Safariland - not coming out unless you want it to - same holster used by our deputies here.)
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    Ya know, just like everything else, everybody (even some pro-gun people), has an axe to grind. I have stated before that if things got bad enough for me to have to carry a long-gun over my shoulder, then nobody would give a crap because everything would be so bad, that just about anybody would be doing the same.

    I don't like seeing this sort of thing because, to me (and I could very well be wrong), it shows a certain amount of mental instability to walk around with a long-gun strapped on, unless your hunting, or target shooting, or the "end of days" just happened. I'm a gun guy to the max, but if I would have been there, you can damn well bet that I would have been watching that dude close. Paint me stupid, but that's just me.

    What ever happened to a society where people had some common decency and common sense. A long time ago, when even gun safety and shooting sports were a part of the school day (meaning most people were "gun friendly"), nobody did this sort of thing UNLESS, there was a real deal reason to do so. To me it's just "over the top", rebel without a cause sort of thing to do...just like ANTIFA, anti-gunners, or anybody else that is trying (in the wrong way), to draw attention to "their cause" and themselves by acting out.

    I might get some heat for feeling this way, but I still believe that we still live in a somewhat civilized society, and even though us gun owners have a target painted on our backs by a lot of different sides, we still have a certain obligation to uphold to not be like the rest of the "rebels without a cause". JMHO
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    Open carry here is not exactly common, but I see some one once or twice a week on average, I have been mostly open carrying a pistol myself, but I do alternate with pocket carry depending on where I'm going and my mood. I've only had one person look at me as though she were offended by the sidearm, but she did not say anything nor did she leave the tire store. Since the local shootings, though, I've been pocket carrying more and open carrying less. Don't want to frighten people unnecessarily.

    I've never had a desire to open carry a long gun in town even though it is legal to do so, and I haven't seen anyone doing so since the open carry protests before open carry of sidearms was legal in Texas.
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    I wouldn't doubt that there's some deterrent value to open carrying (handguns, not rifles). It's not unlike a tactic local and state police here adopted several years ago, encouraging their officers to take their police cruisers home with them. It had been concluded that higher visibility of a police presence in neighborhoods had a positive effect on crime reduction in those areas. I'd guess that even most criminals are aware that far fewer people open carry than CC so if they see 5 people open carrying, they may be bright enough to do the math. It's kinda' like snakes, for every one you see, there are likely 4 or 5 more around you that you don't. Also, as with snakes......it's not the ones you can see that you have to worry about. It's always that one you don't see, that gets ya'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taurustoter View Post
    ya know, just like everything else, everybody (even some pro-gun people), has an axe to grind. I have stated before that if things got bad enough for me to have to carry a long-gun over my shoulder, then nobody would give a crap because everything would be so bad, that just about anybody would be doing the same.

    I don't like seeing this sort of thing because, to me (and i could very well be wrong), it shows a certain amount of mental instability to walk around with a long-gun strapped on, unless your hunting, or target shooting, or the "end of days" just happened. I'm a gun guy to the max, but if i would have been there, you can damn well bet that i would have been watching that dude close. Paint me stupid, but that's just me.

    What ever happened to a society where people had some common decency and common sense. A long time ago, when even gun safety and shooting sports were a part of the school day (meaning most people were "gun friendly"), nobody did this sort of thing unless, there was a real deal reason to do so. To me it's just "over the top", rebel without a cause sort of thing to do...just like antifa, anti-gunners, or anybody else that is trying (in the wrong way), to draw attention to "their cause" and themselves by acting out.

    I might get some heat for feeling this way, but i still believe that we still live in a somewhat civilized society, and even though us gun owners have a target painted on our backs by a lot of different sides, we still have a certain obligation to uphold to not be like the rest of the "rebels without a cause". Jmho

    ^^ exactly ^^
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    Good article -- agree with all the points made by the author. I must say, however, when I looked at the photo, my first thought was "he's brandishing." I say that mostly because of the environment he's in -- it's a farmer's market for Pete's sake. Go to the farmer's market with your concealed carry -- period.

    No open carry in our state although there used to be in the past. The only time (in an urban setting) I've seen long guns or rifles out in someone's hands has been at a gun show where folks are usually selling whatever they hold -- most often they have a "for sale" tag too. In Central FL if you decide to walk around with an AR15 in public -- well I pity the fool that tries it. In Orange County you will find yourself quickly surrounded by LEO and they won't be smiling. (You may be fortunate enough to survive. But I'd have my doubts.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Keith View Post
    It's been legal in Texas to carry a rifle or a shotgun forever...literally since Hector was a pup I could carry any long gun I wanted anywhere I wanted. But I never did and I never saw anybody else do it either unless they were some protester down in Austin (or Arlington) trying to make a point. I'd be afraid to now just because of concealed carry. Someone could mistake me exercising my open carry rifle as some nutjob fixing to shoot up the joint.

    Open carry sidearms...ok. But I could count on one hand the people I've seen doing it since it became law. I'd rather conceal rather than reveal.
    I will definitely be preparing to shoot someone who open carries a semi-automatic rifle into a public establishment. That would be one circumstance in which I'll get involved up front. I don't consider these to be "good guys," I consider these to be bad guys waiting for their moment.



    I will follow him until he leaves. And I will shoot him in the back if he ever raises the muzzle toward the halfway point.

    With regard to open carry:

    Maybe someone will be deterred. More likely the bad guy won't have looked around that hard.

    More likely, the situation will look like a snatch-and-grab with nobody getting hurt until the woman behind me yells, "You've got a gun! Do something!"

    But my real problem with the situation is that other people are making decisions about me and my gun...and I don't know what decisions they're making.

    I'd rather be the only person making decisions about me and my gun.
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    For forty years I've been trying to explain to people that when you're trying to convince the general public that gun people are OK, you need to be sensitive to their perceptions of you as they subliminally evaluate whether they'd consider being associated with you. If you march in a pro-gun rally looking like a homeless person, the reaction to that image is the first obstacle you'll now need to overcome even before an observer can evaluate the credibility of your opinion.

    The idiot in the photo did a world of damage to the cause. Immediate reaction? Uh oh! Look out! A crazy! Seek safety now! He made it all about him instead of the issues.
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    I see no reason to open carry personally. All it does is upset people and I don't want the attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ETF View Post
    It's legal to do this in Texas too. In fact, a couple of years back we had a couple of young idiots who kept getting their pictures in the paper by doing just that in restaurants in the Dallas area. My argument against it was that if I was sitting in the restaurant with my wife and those two fools walked in carrying their AR/AKs at the low ready, my pistol would be cleared of leather, in my hand under the table with the safety off. At that point those two dumb kids would have been 2 seconds and one stupid move from being shot at.

    It may be legal but it's still stupid.
    And the guy at the next table saw you draw your gun and remove the safety so he shoots you preemptively because you are brandishing while the two that just walked in are merely open carrying.

    One is legal, the other is not.

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