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    SC Now Honors MN & NE. . . Ohio Changes. . . CoE and their Regulations

    Update: Stand your ground wording was removed from the Ohio bill before being passed in the Legislature and I knew that and still put the words Stand Your Ground in the post. It should have been about placing the burden of disproving a self-defense claim on the prosecution.

    South Carolina Law Enforcement (SLED) has added Minnesota and Nebraska to the list of state Permits it will honor. Both Minnesota and Nebraska already honored South Carolina. That brings to 25 the number of states South Carolina Honors. SLED’s Reciprocity Listing can be seen at: South Carolina Law Enforcement Division

    The Ohio Legislature has overridden the Governor’s veto of HB-228. This bill adds Stand Your Ground language to Ohio Law. Also Preemption was updated and now has teeth to keep local authorities from passing a patch work of laws covering firearms and carrying them. The signage law was also tweaked. It will be late March before it goes into effect and late December 2019 before the Preemption part goes into effect. Handgunlaw.us will add those changes to the Ohio page when they become effective. You can read the bill and see the changes by going to https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/leg...d=GA132-HB-228

    The Corps of Engineers stated in a lawsuit two years ago they would make changes to settle a suit concerning carrying on their property. I have been watching for something concerning lawsuits and the CoE and their regulations on no guns on their properties. It looks like the CoE has decided not to really change anything but just tell District Commanders they can issue a letter to individuals giving them permission to carry on Corps property in their district. The Memorandum is dated May of 2018 and I have just found it. This was always in their regs but Handgunlaw.us had never heard of anyone being issued such a letter previously or even how to Apply/Ask for such a letter to carry on their property. I can’t find a form or anything other than a “Guidance Memorandum” sent out to all District Commanders. So read the Memorandum and find out who is your District Commander and contact them telling them you wish to apply for such permission. The Memorandum states the criteria for those wishing to carry on CoE property. It also states the Commander has Discretion! It will be interesting to see how they handle this especially if they get a lot of letters/applications/whatever asking for permission to carry on their property. (For my first rant of the year — “What really needs to happen is Federal Legislation to make carry on CoE property and all federal property the same as National Park Carry. That makes sense but then again when has the government had any sense!”) http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/a...oEProperty.pdf

    Handgunlaw.us will add the SC, NE, MN changes and the Corps of Engineer info late this evening or early tomorrow. Handgunlaw.us wants to wish everyone a Very Happy New Year!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarySlider View Post
    Update: Stand your ground wording was removed from the Ohio bill before being passed in the Legislature and I knew that and still put the words Stand Your Ground in the post. It should have been about placing the burden of disproving a self-defense claim on the prosecution.

    South Carolina Law Enforcement (SLED) has added Minnesota and Nebraska to the list of state Permits it will honor. Both Minnesota and Nebraska already honored South Carolina. That brings to 25 the number of states South Carolina Honors. SLED’s Reciprocity Listing can be seen at: South Carolina Law Enforcement Division

    The Ohio Legislature has overridden the Governor’s veto of HB-228. This bill adds Stand Your Ground language to Ohio Law. Also Preemption was updated and now has teeth to keep local authorities from passing a patch work of laws covering firearms and carrying them. The signage law was also tweaked. It will be late March before it goes into effect and late December 2019 before the Preemption part goes into effect. Handgunlaw.us will add those changes to the Ohio page when they become effective. You can read the bill and see the changes by going to https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/leg...d=GA132-HB-228

    The Corps of Engineers stated in a lawsuit two years ago they would make changes to settle a suit concerning carrying on their property. I have been watching for something concerning lawsuits and the CoE and their regulations on no guns on their properties. It looks like the CoE has decided not to really change anything but just tell District Commanders they can issue a letter to individuals giving them permission to carry on Corps property in their district. The Memorandum is dated May of 2018 and I have just found it. This was always in their regs but Handgunlaw.us had never heard of anyone being issued such a letter previously or even how to Apply/Ask for such a letter to carry on their property. I can’t find a form or anything other than a “Guidance Memorandum” sent out to all District Commanders. So read the Memorandum and find out who is your District Commander and contact them telling them you wish to apply for such permission. The Memorandum states the criteria for those wishing to carry on CoE property. It also states the Commander has Discretion! It will be interesting to see how they handle this especially if they get a lot of letters/applications/whatever asking for permission to carry on their property. (For my first rant of the year — “What really needs to happen is Federal Legislation to make carry on CoE property and all federal property the same as National Park Carry. That makes sense but then again when has the government had any sense!”) http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/a...oEProperty.pdf

    Handgunlaw.us will add the SC, NE, MN changes and the Corps of Engineer info late this evening or early tomorrow. Handgunlaw.us wants to wish everyone a Very Happy New Year!!!!

    Even though the Ohio legislature didn't pass SYG this year the burden of proof issue was way more important. It's the one thing that made a self defense claim more difficult should they have to face a malicious prosecution. Ohio is finally in line with the other 49 states.

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    Thanks Gary! You're the best. Does SC have a mutual reciprocity requirement? If the level of training/licensing were their main concern I would think IL would be included, but since IL will most likely never recognize another state that won't happen.
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    Doubtful that training had EVERYTHING to do with it. Ga and SC entered into a reciprocity agreement a couple years ago despite Ga’s lack of training and qualification requirements. But, Ga has already stated they would honor any state which honors Ga’s GWCL.
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    thanks very much, Gary. And being an Ohioan, it gives me great pleasure to realize that Kasich will be gone. He's been a stain on the jockey shorts of Ohio since his first election.
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    SC law and the criteria to honor another state is below. I am not positive but believe SC requires a state to honor them and then must meet the criteria below before they will honor them. It also requires someone in SLED to make the decision that the state meets the requirements. They actually can only pick up 4 more states for their residents to carry in . Washington, Colorado Pennsylvania and Maine and Maine is Permitless Carry but with restrictions. Illinois will not honor any other states so I don't believe SC will ever honor them without a law change. As for Georgia and North Carolina the SC Legislature passed a bill and the Governor signed it stating SC would honor the GA & NC permits no matter what criteria they used to issue permits. Those are the only two states that boarder SC and it was the GA/SC boarder and those crossing both ways that got that bill passed. What to add NC Honors all others and GA honors anyone who will honor them.

    The laws get so screwy and then I go and made a huge error in my post. I knew that SYG was removed from the Ohio Bill. Read about it numerous times. Read the bill and have the changes for the Ohio Page already in a folder to add in 3 months and part of it won't be added for almost a year. I even read and tweaked that post as I wrote over a few days and saw that SYG wording and read right past it more than once and still didn't see my error. Get mad at myself for making such errors but then remember none of us are perfect!

    23-31-215 (N) Issuance of Permits.

    (1) Valid out-of-state permits to carry concealable weapons held by a resident of a reciprocal state must be honored by this State, provided, that the reciprocal state requires an applicant to successfully pass a criminal background check and a course in firearm training and safety. A resident of a reciprocal state carrying a concealable weapon in South Carolina is subject to and must abide by the laws of South Carolina regarding concealable weapons. SLED shall maintain and publish a list of those states as the states with which South Carolina has reciprocity.

    (2) Notwithstanding the reciprocity requirements of subitem (1), South Carolina shall automatically recognize concealed weapon permits issued by Georgia and North Carolina.

    (3) The reciprocity provisions of this section shall not be construed to authorize the holder of any out-of-state permit or license to carry, in this State, any firearm or weapon other than a handgun.
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    Well, that's a good thing for SC permit holders!
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    Thanks for the further explanation Gary!
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