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    Quote Originally Posted by MadKaw View Post
    https://www.michigan.gov/documents/m...8_611131_7.pdf

    The above report on statistics relating to CPL holders is probably of interest only to those of us who live in Michigan, but I draw some conclusions that are most likely of wider significance.
    Out of roughly 1/2 million CPL holders in Michigan there were more than 2,000 convictions for crimes. That rate is higher than I expected. Now, it's still indicative of an awfully law-abiding group with a crime rate of ~0.4%, but it is higher than I expected.

    Anyway, I found it interesting reading.
    Must be something in Michigan because, nationally, concealed carriers are more law abiding than law enforcement.

    You might want to head over to Dr Lott's site, https://crimeresearch.org/ , and take a look at the numbers from other states and nationally. In some states like Texas and Florida, LEO's are about 6 times more likely to commit a crime than concealed carriers.
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    Still beats Ivory Snow which is 99 and 44/100th percent pure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Still beats Ivory Snow which is 99 and 44/100th percent pure.
    That's the most accurate statement made in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68Firebird View Post
    Interesting. I wonder if multiple convictions could have been attributed to any individuals. That would bring down the percentage.
    Good question. I don't know the answer, but it seems likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenwolde View Post
    There may be some double-counting. Notice on page 11, there's a bunch of "Firearms" offenses, including carrying a concealed weapon. How is that possible if the person had a permit? Not a lot of numbers there but still, it raises questions.
    Michigan has a Concealed Pistol License. Could have been a not-pistol weapon.
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    So I am well aware of how good these numbers really are, CPL holders are better than average. But still, not quite as good as I expected. That's more a comment on my expectations. I realize that the country would be in darn good shape if the population as a whole reflected these statistics. I just wish we could do even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    . If you strictly looked at the numbers, you might conclude that CHL holders are more law abiding than the police.
    Statistically speaking (Nationwide) there was another study besides the one linked to Dr.Lott that showed just that (though likely the sources of info are the same)....I'll try and see if I can find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenwolde View Post
    There may be some double-counting. Notice on page 11, there's a bunch of "Firearms" offenses, including carrying a concealed weapon. How is that possible if the person had a permit? Not a lot of numbers there but still, it raises questions.
    Can't speak to the specific laws in MI but some states the permit only covers handguns and not other weapons


    *edit: MadKaw noted this is the case with MI permits
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorflyr View Post
    Can't speak to the specific laws in MI but some states the permit only covers handguns and not other weapons


    *edit: MadKaw noted this is the case with MI permits
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