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    Use of force/deadly force scenario

    This happened in Indiana. I'm glad it turned out okay. Crazed man grabs 8 year old boy, puts him in chokehold, and puts screwdriver to his neck. He's been charged with a number of crimes. Would you intervene with deadly force if you could do so without harming the child/bystanders? State laws vary with regards to third parties, but in my state defense of third parties is justified (aggravated kidnapping) if there is reasonable belief it is necessary.

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    Tough one. I guess I'd have to be there to know.
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    Well it looks like folks did intervene without using deadly force, so it would be a tough call.
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    I dont think I could just stand by and watch. More than likely I would keep the guy talking an focused on me rather than the kid. The more I talk,mother less he may think of hurting the kid. I learned from some great officers on how people skills can stop most situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koine2002 View Post
    Would you intervene with deadly force if you could do so without harming the child/bystanders?
    1. My state allows the use of deadly force in all of the appropriate circumstances, such as described in the article.
    2. In the scenario provided, deadly force is not my first goto choice.
    3. Talking it out would be my first choice, then rapidly escalate into rescuing child + detention of subject.
    4. Application of deadly force would be last choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    Well it looks like folks did intervene without using deadly force, so it would be a tough call.
    Yup! It's always a judgment call and in this case it wasn't needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koine2002 View Post
    This happened in Indiana. I'm glad it turned out okay. Crazed man grabs 8 year old boy, puts him in chokehold, and puts screwdriver to his neck. He's been charged with a number of crimes. Would you intervene with deadly force if you could do so without harming the child/bystanders? State laws vary with regards to third parties, but in my state defense of third parties is justified (aggravated kidnapping) if there is reasonable belief it is necessary.

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    Texas law would permit deadly force in that circumstance, but I don't know if the actual case called for it. Given the actual results, apparently not.
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    I could speculate all day an not come up with the answer. But short version: if it were my kid, I'd probably blow the dude away if I knew I wouldn't hurt my kid. Someone else's kid? I'm not sure. I would probably do everything I could short of pulling the trigger. As crass and unfeeling as it sounds, I carry to protect MY family and loved ones. But circumstances normally dictate actions. Depends.
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    I'd have to intervene but I'm smart enough to know I couldn't get physical with an attacker. That's one reason I carry. I'm too old for that fighting stuff, especially with an armed perp.
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    The article does not provide enough details: What was the attitude/temperament of the man? What was he saying? Was he trying to leave with the boy? With such limited information, I could not say what I would have done for sure. If the man would talk with me without threats to the kid, I would do my best to talk him out of what he was doing. But, if he gave me the impression he was going to do harm to the kid, I would then have to evaluate the shooting position I was in and the background of the scene; if all was good, then I would think, I would have taken the next step. BUT, until you are in a situation like that, you will not know for sure and will have to rely on your training and skills.

 

 
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