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    Who would have ever thought the one thing Florida and Texas agree with California, Illinois, and New York would be a gun issue?
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    The problem is that the right answer is a complex Boolean function.

    Depending on the local laws, some or all of these elements may impact your ability to open carry:
    Permit Required (Y/N)
    State Pre-emption (Y/N)
    Shall Issue (Y/N)
    Element of Crime or Affirmative Defense?

    The last one is particularly tricky. If having a permit is an affirmative defense, then you are presumed to be a criminal simply by the act of carrying. Showing a permit SHOULD end the encounter, but some LEO agencies will use the fact they get an automatic Tier II encounter to maximize the harassment factor. MARTA (Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority) used this loophole for a while to arrest open carriers, search them completely, seize their property, and generally make it impossible to exercise the right on a daily basis. Even when the carrier showed a GWCL, they were detained for an average of an hour or so before they were allowed to go on their way while officers "verified" every single piece of ID they carried. Eventually the legislature had to change the definition of the "crime" so the arresting officer/agency had to have RAS that the person had no GWCL. Even then the legislature had to explicitly list public transportation as not being under the "government buildings" restriction before MARTA got the clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aquajim View Post
    Who would have ever thought the one thing Florida and Texas agree with California, Illinois, and New York would be a gun issue?
    If I remember right alot of that "agreement" is for different reasons. In Texas I believe the limits on open carry trace their roots to Jim Crow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishinkeylargo View Post
    Interesting, thanks for posting. Florida and Texas need to wake up!
    Amen.
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    And a PT145SS since 1/2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquajim View Post
    Who would have ever thought the one thing Florida and Texas agree with California, Illinois, and New York would be a gun issue?
    A sad irony indeed.
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    And a PT145SS since 1/2013.

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    Open Carry

    As perceived by its
    Proponents andOpponents

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    There is some confusion about Arkansas and the status of open carry as legal. Most likely this will have to be resolved by court decisions. Probably best not to do this unless you want to be a test case.

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    Be sure to check your county or municipality on the laws though. In NC, we are an open carry friendly state, but there are two counties and several cities that have laws that do not allow open carry.

    THese are aside from the standard exceptions for federal buildings, state buildings, certain public areas, schools, etc......

    And be sure you understand them too.

    As of Oct 13th 3013, a few laws were updated.

    On college campus's you can have a concealed gun locked in your glove box ( or console, etc) ONLY IF you have a concealed carry permit. And it can only be in a secure area in your vehicle in the parking lot.

    But, too many people "heard " that you can conceal carry on campus now.

    For clarifications( if you need it) the reason this was allowed was due to the fact the total ban on guns on campus meant that if you were going to school, then you would have to leave your protection at home for all areas between your home and that school in order to be in compliance once you got to school. If you worked first, went through bad
    neighborhood, ect before getting to school then it was just tough luck for you.

    Thankfully somebody wised up to this.
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    Kansas new law will go into effect July 1, 2014 No county or city can have any firearm laws, state laws only,

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    I wonder what would happen if we open carried airsoft pistols into JIB here in Texas. I doubt it would be well recieved, but legally it is not a firearm.


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