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    Rossi Circuit Judge

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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    It's really cool, but a couple of threads are already running on it.
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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    I guess putting a cylinder on it instead of a feed tube solves the problem of sizing the chamber. that looks cool, in a different sort of way. I suppose it's a 5-shot, I can't imagine adding a round to the cylinder just for this rifle/gun.
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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    I have reservations about putting a revolver cylinder on a rifle.

    History supports that.


    The Colt revolving rifle
    The .56 caliber 5-shot Colt revolving rifle came on the market in 1855. Before the Tullahoma campaign (24 June to 3 July 1863), Rosecrans had equipped about 1600 of his men with such rifles. It was not properly a breechloader, but once loaded, its rate of fire was considerably faster than that of a muzzle loader. However, the loading procedure was cumbersome for a soldier under fire. The cylinder had to be removed, powder packed into each of the chambers, a bullet packed on top of the powder, the chambers sealed with wax, and finally the whole covered with grease in order to protect against the possibility of loose powder igniting all of the chambers at once, a phenomenon called chain fire. Given the size of the powder charge, this could be lethal to the bearer. The soldiers therefore loaded spare cylinders in advance, and in battle someone normally did the loading for the ones shooting, and this reduced the risk attendant with hurried loading. In addition, the arm which normally supported the weapon was right beside the cylinder and was thus exposed to the powder flash which escapes from the gap between the rear end of the barrel and the forward face of the cylinders of all revolvers. To avoid being burned the soldier had to either hold his elbow very far away from the cylinder or support the weapon on some object. Nevertheless it did good service for some Federal units on Snodgrass Hill at the battle of Chickamauga. For example, on the afternoon of 20 Sept. 1863, the second day of the battle, the 535 men of the 21st regiment of Ohio commanded by Lieut. Col. Dwella Stoughton of Sirwell’s brigade of Negley's division, posted on the far right of Thomas' line, expended 43,550 rounds along with some Enfield bullets (.57 caliber, but could be made to fit), and they repulsed 5 charges by much greater numbers of Confederates under Hindman. The second photo below shows the shorter carbine version for cavalry.



    While chain firing is not a problem these days the escaping gases from the front and back of the cylinder are a blow torch. Add bullet particles and unburned powder, which will hit the firer's arm or hand. Even with a full grip way out in front of the cylinder frame the arm and hands can be at risk.

    The hand grip on it will have to be a compromise of some kind. This will not lead to steady or comfortable, or safe shooting. There would have to be a shield of some kind to cover the back and front of the cylinder to divert the gases.

    Other things to think about.

    If tolerances are very close cylinder drag will be a problem. Maybe not, but it happens with other revolvers where that is true. Not too tight and the gases get by.

    After a few shots the collected debris that deposits itself on the cylnder faces can accumulate enough to bind the cylinder or to cause it to cease to turn completely.

    Unsafe conditions need to be addressed if they aren't already. Maybe they are. From a close up of the catalog picture it wasn't apparent that was addressed.

    I've been wrong before. Could be in this case. I hope I am.



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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    There is a blast shield in front of the cylinder, however in a different close up I have seen, it appears the blast shield is attached to the foreend with two small screws on each side of the fore end (into the wood). I thnk the Circuit Judge looks really cool, but I'm not just real sure I can fit one into my budget for the cool effect alone.
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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    Good. Then they did their homework. It's a wait and see if there is any leakage anyway. Probably not.

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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    The main problem with the old colt cap and ball revolving cylinder carbines was the possibility of a chain fire (one cylinder torching off the next) with the shooter's hand in front of the cylinder. Cartridges eliminate that.

    For the life of me, I don't know why anyone would want one of these things, though. I'll keep my 20 gauge or a 12 for home defense and this thing would be worthless in the field for small game, no pattern. As pistol carbines go, I'll keep my Rossi 92. As far as shooting shot/bullet I'll just load my 20 gauge Remington Spartan coach gun up with a slug in an open choke barrel and screw the modified choke or I/C into the barrel with the shot cartridge. I then have a choice at my fingertips of a 50 cal slug or a 7/8 ounce shot charge that is choked from a smooth bore barrel and is actually effective. Or, I can do the same thing with my old 12 gauge side by side and that thing shoots like a rifle with slugs.
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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    Now that I took a closer careful look there is a blast shield.

    I do agree with NativeTexan. There's little reason for it. For the sporting field there are other more useful guns.

    One version has the rifled barrel. The other doesn't.

    As shallow as the rifling probably is, considering it's that way for all of these combo .45 Colt/.410 gauge guns, the rifling will play hob with any patterns if it can pattern well at all. Even if the rifling does not go the full length of the barrel shot patterns are going suffer more so than in a Judge.

    In otherwords the rifled barrel version would not make a great .410 shotgun for hunting.

    What buckshot can do is whole other thing. We'll have to wait until it is tested to see what both versions can do and can't.

    The full length barrel gives me pause as to what it will for accuracy wise with .45 Colt rounds.

    If I want buckshot I have a 20 guage Bantam weight Mossberg that fills that niche. Slugs or buckshot in the 20 gauge are more potent than the .410 gauge is.

    The Judge is a nifty niche gun that does the job well. Having at as a long gun? I'm not so sure.

    The rifle/shotgun combo Rossi version will be able to be held steadier than a handgun, but accuracy for shooting game or pests makes me wonder.

    Wait and see.

    Looking at the specs it is light,shorter than some shotguns, but handy.

    When the jury comes in then we have something.

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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    It would be interesting to get data on .45 Colt rounds coming out of THAT particular barrel.

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    Re: Rossi Circuit Judge

    Son in law has a 20" Rossi M92 lever carbine. That particular action is very strong and can handle my ruger only handloads. It pushes a 300 grain Hornady JHP to 1500 fps. That's up near .454 Casull 7" barrel territory, not shabby. Of course, they also make that gun in a .454 Casull sold through legacy sports now days.
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