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Thread: Beretta Gardone 6.5mm Carbine

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    Beretta Gardone 6.5mm Carbine

    CALLING ALL WW2 COLLECTORS:

    I've just found a gentleman not too far from me that has a Beretta Garbone for sale. I've attempted to do some research, but I really don't know what I'm looking for. I know that Beretta is a GREAT name, but unsure whether or not I should be worried that this might perhaps be a copy, or if this gun was worth copying. He says that he shot it a couple of times, and it has 2 clips with it. From the pictures, the gun looks like it has normal wear for a firearm that old, but once again I am at a loss.

    Please let me know all you can about this rifle, as is I am wondering if this is a good deal @ $150.

    Thanks for all your help!
    - Jon Bell

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    The gun you are looking at is most likely an Italian Carcano.

    Gardone VT ==Town of Gardone in the Trompia Valley. Site of a Government assembly Plant.

    P.Beretta was (is still) situated in Gardone; Their rifles are fully marked "P.Beretta Gardone VT".

    Both plants made M91/28 TS ( Short rifles)...the "TS" Model is NOT a carbine, as it was used by Non-cavalry troops (Engineers, Naval Infantry, Artillery, etc).

    The rifles don't have a lot of value... however, like most military weapons of that era they are going up in value everytime you look at them.

    Being military they actually use a "clip" and not a magazine. The clip holds 6 rounds, is inserted into the rifle from the top, and when the last round is fired the clip is ejected out the bottom.

    Ammunition is not especially hard to find in 6.5.... they were also produced in 7.35 and that ammunition is very hard to find (I have mine done by a custom reloader) and very expensive. In the 6.5 the clips are actually more expensive than the ammunition if you can find any.

    The gun is not particularly powerful compared with other military rifles of the same time but it was deadly. It was a 6.5 Carcano that killed Kennedy in Dallas. The rifles are also not known for pin point accuracy. The 6.5 bullet is the same as a .26 caliber. This is the bullet used in a .260 Remington.


    It is slightly smaller than the bullet used in the .270 Winchester and the 6.8 SPC.


    The guns can be fun to shoot if you spend the time and ammunition to learn where yours shoots. Most CCR holders and other military collectors would have one in their collections just because they are what they are... I have 2, a 6.5 and a 7.35.


    If the gun is in any kind of reasonable shape it is worth $150 dollars.... like I stated they can only go up in value as the number available dries up.


    Good Luck with it and if you buy it post a report on how it shoots.

    Hope this helps you out a bit....

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    I bought my Italian 6.5 mm Mannlicher Carcano in 1967 for $25 at a Western Auto store.

    With their odd caliber, gain twist rifling, and "monkey fist" difficult to operate safeties, they don't garner much interest or cash on the collector's market.

    Factoring in the inflation rate since 1967 I'd say $100-$150 would be about fair market value.
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    Actually, the term Mannlicher Carcano is not correct. The official designation is Carcano Modello 91 or simply M91.

    The en-bloc loading system used in the Carcano is similar to that designed by Ferdinand Mannlicher but the design of the Carcano system is a different design which was copied from the German Model 1881 Commission Rifle.

    There is a Carcano called the Type 1. It is based on the Model 38 but uses a 5 shot Arisaka/Mauser style box magazine. These rifles were produced by Italy for the Japanese Empire during WWII. It also shoots a 6.5 round but it is a 6.5 X 50. This is a completely different cartridge than the Carcano 6.5 X 52 rimless. For this reason it is very important that one knows for sure what model rifle he is shooting for safety.


    There was also a Carcano infantry rifle with a long barrel produced. it was introduced about 1940 or 41 I think and it was called the Model 91/41. There are also Moschetti M91/38 TS (special forces' carbines) which shoot the 8 X 57 Mauser round.

    These rifles have been around a long time but I find it very interesting that during the Libyan Civil War in 2011 Carcano Rifles were widely used by Libyan Rebels....

    I am glad this thread came up.... it has motivated me to dig out my Carcanos and I will take them to the range with me this Friday and send a few downrange....

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    Alright guys, I picked up this beauty yesterday. Any more information would be greatly appreciated, as well as where I can buy ammunition for this gun. I've uploaded some pics for you guys.

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    Beretta PX4 Storm Compact .40
    Savage 15-A Bolt-action/single-shot .22LR
    H&R Pardner Protector 12 ga. pump shotgun
    Colt LE6920 AR-15 .223/5.56

 

 

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