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    .22 or .380?

    So, in choosing a tiny firearm for pocket carry(and I do mean pocket carry) I was wondering whether 9 shots of .22 Stinger are better than 7 shots of .380. I don't know if the extra 2 shots of .22 are of any benefit. All other things being equal, what do you guys think?

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    Re: .22 or .380?

    Just remember that .22LR out of pistol will have less velocity and energy than out of a rifle. .22LR ammo figures are usually from being fired out of a rifle barrel.

    Check this out for some pistol data to compare the .22LR and .380ACP.

    .22LR - http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm

    .380 ACP - http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/380acp/gel380acp.htm


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    Re: .22 or .380?

    Thanks chicharrone
    I did not know that the figures for .22 were from rifles.
    Good to know. Thanks for the charts too.

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    Re: .22 or .380?

    First of all Stingers are not allowed in Beretta or Taurus pocket pistols. That's from the company owner manuals.

    High velocity ammo is okay, but not hyper-velocity ammo.

    If from a NAA mini revolver then go for it.

    I own a Taurus PT22 and have some confidence in it with the right loads. One of the recent periodicals just had a article on .22lrf rounds from short barreled guns like the Beretta and Taurus pocket pistols.

    Penetration was from 9 inches to over 12 inches in test medium. That was gelatin and media in a "bullet tube" that also simulates flesh to a degree. This was through 4 layers of denim as well.

    CCI SGB bullets and Winchester 40gr.high velocity loads won the day, but not by much. Just barely. There was not much if any expansion, but the wound channels showed more damage done by those two than other .22lrf rounds.

    CCI Mini-mags actually expanded from .32 caliber and penetrated deeply. Over 10 inches.
    Stingers did not expand.

    Average male human torso is between 9.1inches-10 inches thick.

    The other brands had little or no expansion. Wound tracks were not bad for Remington Golden Bullet ammo.

    Hypervelocity rounds had no expansion. The one exception was from Remington Yellow Jacket. Again, expansion was in the .30 caliber ballpark.

    Hyper rounds also exited the 16" block of gelatin.

    Since reliability is the main issue I stick with CCI Mini-mags.

    The other side of the coin is that the .380ACP has more power,bullet size,and better wounding capabilites than the .22lrf rounds.

    The offset is ammo cost and more recoil. These are not hard handicaps to overcome. Not unless one is recoil or noise shy.

    The .380ACP in a Taurus TCP or something like it gets the overall nod, but I do not feel under protected with the PT22. Not for my purposes and circumstances.

    For others the .380 ACP has the edge.

    However the case can be made for both cartridges for defense. The case can be made for the .32ACP that I like over the .380 and the .22lrf rounds.

    So try out the various pocket pistols in those categories if you can and see which fits you and your needs.

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    Re: .22 or .380?

    i'd say it depends.. if you land all 9 or 7 rounds i dont think it i will matter, but are you gonna get a chance to rattle them all off?

    i'd go with the .380 my self.

    Qwiks draw is right about the pt22 not being for stingers.. i think it had something ot do with the chamber not being able to handle it.. stingers have a longer case but the same over all length.

    personally i'd test for my self and use'em if they worked stingers is a nice round for .22lr.

    380 will probably fire and feed more reliable because it does'nt have a rim and is center fire.

    so ya i'd go with a .380 givin the choice but to each his own.
    either is better then nothing.
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    Re: .22 or .380?

    I've always thought, other than good shot placement, that the bigger the hole, the more air in, the more blood out.
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    Re: .22 or .380?

    a simple test will tell you what you want to know!
    take your finger and lay it on a table or concrete floor.
    now get a small girly type hammer and hit your finger 9 times at a medium blow!
    Ok, register the pain!
    now find a full sized framing hammer and whack your finger say seven times at about the same force!
    by now you should have your answer.
    This can also be used to figure the 45 auto round, simply replace the framing hammer with a 6 pound sledge hammer!
    I do like 22's for plinking at the arcade however!
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    Re: .22 or .380?

    To me at least, there's no comparrison........... .380 10 out of 10 times over a .22
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    Re: .22 or .380?

    Sorry, I'm disqualified.
    I won't carry anything lighter than a 9mm, or a .38 special for CCW pocket carry. I feel safer that way.That's just me.
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    Re: .22 or .380?

    I personally always opt for the bigger bullet, thus the .380 would be my choice.
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