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    .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    I read some were that running .38 special+P ammo in a snub nose revolver with a 2" barrel is a waste of money and recoil because the barrel is too short to allow any significant increase in velocity over the standard .38 special. Does anyone here know if this is true?.
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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    Considering I never find .38 special hollowpoints at Walmart in anything but +P I'd say you aren't wasting money if you have to buy standard velocity .38 special at a gun shop if you want hollowpoints, cause you'll pay a lot more for them there.
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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    Not true about +P in a 2" barrel..
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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    GreenWolf70 hit the nail on the head. +P does have an velocity advantage over non +P rounds. Just enough to cause better bullet upset or expansion. At .38 Special out of a snub every bit of bullet speed helps.

    There are exceptions and caveats to this though. Lets start with non +P rounds.

    Want to use low recoiling rounds that are standard pressure? Good. It can be done.

    There are 110gr. rounds that do it. Do not go below 110gr. for defense use. Remington,Winchester,and Federal make those. These are far better than the .380 ACP for street use and the bullets will expand for the most part.

    Next up is the Federal Nyclad 125gr. lead SWC encased in a extremely thin nylon coating.
    It will expand dynamically and has a real world excellent reputation in the past for stopping attacks. It's been a decade or two since this round was marketed as a defense round. Too many new designs and new rounds have come down the road since then so most people do not realize that the Nyclad is a valid item.

    Nyclad started out as a cheap practice 30 or so years ago to keep lead exposure to a minimum. It turned out to be an excellent carry cartridge and still is.


    Buffalo Bore makes 2 excellent street carry rounds as well. There's a 125gr.JHP and a 158gr. LSWCHP. Those would be my picks for NON +P use.

    Granted the lower weight bullets may hit low on target. Try some and see what happens.

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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    This is a continuation of a two part post.

    THe +P champ for decades, and still is for stopping felons, is the 158gr. LSWCHP put out by WInchester and especially Remingtion. Federal no longer lists theirs though there still might be some out there to be had.

    Next up and an excellent load in it's own right, is the Short barreled Speer Gold Dot +P 135gr.. It is just as good as the 158gr. rounds without the increased recoil of the heavier rounds. New York Police City asked Speer to build it for them and they use it those revolvers still carried by many.

    After that come any ammo maker's 125gr. rounds. After that come the 110gr. JHPs.

    Yes, the Corbon Powerball is the exception and is excellent choice in it's own right. So is Corbon anything in .38 Special.

    The ammo places to go for most of this if local shops do not have it is online ammo or shooting shops.

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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    Quiks Draw, those are good, informative posts. I loaded Nyclad in my snub, before it was discontinued. After that, I went to the Gold Dot. Now that Nyclad is back, I will go with it again, once I use up (in practice, thankfully) the Gold Dots.
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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    shep854. Glad to be of service.

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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    Thank you, QD!

    Given the cost of SD ammo, I don't shoot it much. Inexpensive ball ammo for practice, with the occasional cylinderfull of SD for feel, and to expend the ready ammo that's been in the gun (and my pocket), exposed to the elements.
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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    QD, while we have your attention, some snubbies (S&W?) warn against using bullets lighter than 125 grains. I know they are worried about set back, how much of a problem are the lighter bullets in snubbies, and is there more to worry about with lighter bullets and +P loads?
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    Re: .38 special vs .38 special+P ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWolf70
    QD, while we have your attention, some snubbies (S&W?) warn against using bullets lighter than 125 grains. I know they are worried about set back, how much of a problem are the lighter bullets in snubbies, and is there more to worry about with lighter bullets and +P loads?
    Are you thinking about bullet jump, where a bullet moves forward in its case under recoil, and prevents cylinder rotation? "Setback", AIUI, is where a bullet is pushed back into its case when it hits the feedramp while being chambered in an auto.
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