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    Scope is not holding zero very well. Definitely have to get a better one soon.
    Might I recommend the BSA 4-14X44 Mil-Mil scope from Midway USA? It's got a first focal plane reticle, and both the reticle and turrets are graduated in mrads. Makes adjustments way too easy - I literally zeroed mine in two shots. It's got side parallax/focus adjustment, and with a 30mm tube and 44mm objective lens it's way bright. It ain't your daddy's BSA, and I'm not even sure BSA actually makes it. What I am sure of is that it's hard to beat for $250.

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    This be the one I plan to get, and Bass Pro has it in stock in Myrtle Beach, same price.
    Nikon P-223 Rifle Scope 4-12x 40mm BDC 600 Reticle Matte
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    Fun stuff! Nice shooting.
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    If it shoots well, then the moniker on the box means diddly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwk1951 View Post
    This be the one I plan to get, and Bass Pro has it in stock in Myrtle Beach, same price.
    Nikon P-223 Rifle Scope 4-12x 40mm BDC 600 Reticle Matte
    I looked at the Nikons, but decided against the P-223 line. My reasons were that it has fixed parallax, 1" tube (not as bright as 30mm,) 2nd focal plane reticle, and the 1/4 moa turrets don't really have any relevance to the reticle. Nor do they have any particular relevance to anything but a 55 grain polymer tipped bullet. And the reticle can't really be used for windage or lead since it's only graduated for elevation.

    With a first focal plan mil mil, one mil on the reticle always equals one mil on the turrets - regardless of magnification. And with a little ballistic information on the round - regardless of weight - you can use it as a BDC scope too. You can fire a shot, measure it with the reticle, and adjust the scope as per the reticle measurement. If you're 2 mils off when measuring through the scope, you simply adjust the turret 2 mils.

    With a 2nd focal plane scope you'll have to do some math at lower magnifications, and Nikon even goes as far as to include software to figure out the bullet drop for different weights and magnifications. Too much trouble for my money. Much simpler with FFP mil-mil.

    I had a Nikon 6-24X40 AO scope years ago, and it was a great scope - once you got it doped. They use good glass, the image will be clear, and they'll definitely hold zero. But you can do better for $250.

    Here's what the mil-mil's reticle looks like -

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    I might reconsider on the BSA.
    I'm not getting the scope until Jan. or Feb., I have other stuff more important to get first.
    And with the colder, wetter winter weather here, not many days are good for shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwk1951 View Post
    I might reconsider on the BSA.
    I'm not getting the scope until Jan. or Feb., I have other stuff more important to get first.
    And with the colder, wetter winter weather here, not many days are good for shooting.
    I've heard some folks say that the Vortex 4-14 FFP scope is the same scope - but it will cost you over $300. The turret knobs and magnification ring are a little different, but it sure does look the same. And from all reports they perform about the same. Here's what the Vortex looks like...

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    Forgive me - I know I'm starting to sound like a BSA commercial, but just one more thing... The BSA has 26.5 mils of vertical adjustment. One mil is 3.438 MOA, so that's over 91 moa of vertical adjustment. The Nikon only has 60 moa. So if you pop either of these scopes on a 22 with target ammo, or you try very long range shooting, the Nikon will run out of adjustment long before the BSA does. Even with a 20 moa mount, you're still short of the BSA's adjustment with the Nikon.

    I had my doubts when I first ordered my BSA - 'cause it's a BSA! But I have come to believe that it's made for BSA by someone else, and I really like it a LOT. I've even considered buying another one just to have it on hand. But with a lifetime warranty I don't really need two of them. But in fairness to the Nikon - it's got a lifetime warranty too.
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    I'll have to try some Tula in .223. Have boxes and boxes of 7.62x39 and have very happy with it. Will have to try a box of .223 of Tula by what I'm seeing. (Hope that's not powder burns on the target though).
    Really, I have been using federal 62 gr. in all 3 of my Ar's and no problems but some I got thru Cheaper than dirt last year. To many were dented and jammed even after picking out the better ones. Bought 1000 rds and a good 100 were no good. I guess maybe just a bad batch? Anyone else use that Ammo from them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gators View Post
    I'll have to try some Tula in .223. Have boxes and boxes of 7.62x39 and have very happy with it. Will have to try a box of .223 of Tula by what I'm seeing. (Hope that's not powder burns on the target though).
    Really, I have been using federal 62 gr. in all 3 of my Ar's and no problems but some I got thru Cheaper than dirt last year. To many were dented and jammed even after picking out the better ones. Bought 1000 rds and a good 100 were no good. I guess maybe just a bad batch? Anyone else use that Ammo from them?
    Federal's Lake City army ammunition plant makes some of the best M193's and M855's you can buy, but they also sell factory 'seconds' marked 'Not for Duty Use' sometimes. I stay away from that stuff, 'cause I figure if it's not good enough for the army, it's not good enough for me either. You might check the boxes and see if it's marked 'not for duty use.' If it doesn't have the marking you might contact federal, 'cause a 10% failure rate is outrageous.
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