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    Warnings, high dollar law suits, and recalls are usually a direct result of user ignorance, rarely poor manufacturing. They put a low oil pressure idiot light on the dashboard of a car for people that can't comprehend the idea of a dipstick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Car_Doc View Post
    How do you get the 709 to double action with a round in the chamber?
    I sent you a video in a PM of how to do it. If you have any questions, PM me.
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    I'll stick with my revolvers and DAO autos for a pocket. They're both carried in a pocket holster. They both take a long, somewhat heavy DA pull and both hammers are unloaded while at rest. I do have a DA pocket pistol, a Radom P64, but don't carry it a lot and when I do, it's hammer down decocked DA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JR View Post
    It's funny that after 35 years of Glocks, many with 3# triggers, anyone could still muster any conversation about safeties.

    To me, the only safety that matters in carrying is the one between your ears.
    No matter how long it's been since Glocks went on sale, some of us will insist on thinking for ourselves.

    The thing between my ears isn't infallible. Consequently, I try to avoid putting myself in situations that require perfection on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JR View Post
    It's funny that after 35 years of Glocks, many with 3# triggers, anyone could still muster any conversation about safeties. *Snip*
    The instrument has yet to be invented that is capable of detecting how little I care about Glocks.
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    I used Glock as an example, not as a recommendation. Like it, or not, (and I don't) there are tens of thousands of them walking about in the pockets of their owners even as we speak. WITH a round in the chamber. Yet, despite the wonders if the Errornet, they haven't been simply going off if basic safety is used. Back to that safety between the ears.

    It's the "basic safety in operation" that I was pointing out. We train to not put our finger on the trigger until ready to shoot, no matter how dire the circumstances, but then extol the long, double-action, pull of a revolver-like trigger as "all the safety we need". Then pointing out that one "may forget" to release a mechanical safety. I maintain that training is training, and muscle memory is just that. Releasing safeties, especially frame-mounted 1911 style safeties, is easily trained into that same muscle memory.

    For striker-fired guns, especially those with hammer-block internal safeties, you pretty much need a finger on that trigger to make the gun fire. Anyone stupid enough to carry a gun, no matter the type, in a pocket along with anything else besides a holster is violating both common sense, and training. It isn't the gun that is faulty there.

    As for the safety between the ears. If you can't trust it in gun handling, then what does that say about trusting it in any other responsible situation? Nobody is infallible, but we're once again heading off into those gaming scenarios where we "what if" everything beyond anything resembling real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostHorse View Post
    No matter how long it's been since Glocks went on sale, some of us will insist on thinking for ourselves.

    The thing between my ears isn't infallible. Consequently, I try to avoid putting myself in situations that require perfection on my part.
    I cannot agree more with this logic. Murphy rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWB View Post
    I sent you a video in a PM of how to do it. If you have any questions, PM me.
    Wow, would this work for the PT145 or ANY Taurus with second strike capability? I LOVED the PT145, light and nearly pocket sized, yet 10 round mags. Too bad Taurus quit building 'em. BUT, I didn't like the single action of 'em. If you could load the gun, maybe disassembled?, without the striker cocking and pull the first shot with the second strike DA, THAT would solve the conundrum for me. I could be a new Taurus striker auto fan.

    For striker-fired guns, especially those with hammer-block internal safeties, you pretty much need a finger on that trigger to make the gun fire. Anyone stupid enough to carry a gun, no matter the type, in a pocket along with anything else besides a holster is violating both common sense, and training. It isn't the gun that is faulty there.
    Do you wear a shirt with shirt tail out? Do you holster that gun with that shirt on? Have you ever lapsed you concentration.....oh, wait, we're talking about JR the perfect, here. Sorry, move on.....
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    Do you wear a shirt with shirt tail out? Do you holster that gun with that shirt on? Have you ever lapsed you concentration.....oh, wait, we're talking about JR the perfect, here. Sorry, move on.....
    The title of the thread is cocked, unlocked, pocket rocket. It deals with pocket carry of small guns. To wit, the LCPII. Are you asking a question about holstering a pocket carried gun while wearing an un-tucked shirt? Are we carrying "Fitz Specials", and ignoring the condition of that shirt? That isn't a lapse in concentration. That IS, instead, a safety violation headed for a negligent discharge.

    FYI, competent instructors advise that one remove the now empty holster from the pocket, re-holster the gun, and place the combination back in the pocket.

    In the 50+ years that I've been carrying concealed firearms, I've never shot myself, had a negligent discharge, or had anyone else inadvertently injured by my gun-handling. That reaches back to the mid-1960's, when the choices were far fewer, and different.

    If that makes me "perfect, so be it. Apparently, that upsets some.
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    If you're going to carry a Glock in a pocket, I'd recommend a hard holster and holstering the gun before putting it in your pocket. Things like shirt tails can follow the gun into a pocket, too, and soft holsters are a no, no for safety. My Blackhawk number 3 wouldn't do.
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